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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 192 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Neat. I wish I could do that. I tried several years ago when I actually had some money because I saw this coming. Nobody wanted disabled people then, and less so Americans now.

People wouldn’t listen back then, when I was called hyperbolic and alarmist, and good fucking luck leaving now. People think leaving is easy – it’s not. We’re stuck in this shit show.

Can’t fix it, can’t leave. Going down with the ship. Fuck everyone who voted to kill me. I will not survive this administration. I’ll probably die within the year because, though I worked my ass off in IT since the 90s, I had to burn through my savings by being weak enough to get sick. *I already have to choose between food and medicine, so I mostly don’t eat. I’ll just stop buying medicine.

So fuck me, I deserve to die now. There’s no escape. There’s no hope.

[–] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I just want to say i live in a safe area kinda and have room if you want to survive next 4 years in a progressive state in the middle of the woods but near jobs.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 day ago

That’s very kind of you, thanks, truly.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am lucky I live on the border of a blue state. If I got to bug out, then I can.

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[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 day ago (5 children)

For the small chance that you have german ancestors, you can claim back their citizenship if they suffered under the nazi regime

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

EDIT: see end of comment

If you have any traceable Italian citizenship it is possible to claim Italian citizenship. Even like great-great-great-great-grandparents. But there's a lot of asterisks involved. There are offices that specialize in this that might help (for a fee).

But if you DO qualify and get all the paperwork and get an appointment and approved, you get full citizenship immediately. Italy always considered you a citizen since birth but did not know about you.

EDIT:

Italy put a stop to this like, a few days ago. Damn. Now it's maximum grandparents. https://www.imidaily.com/europe/italy-adopts-decree-restricting-citizenship-by-descent/

Should've figured with all the anti-immigrant sentiment this would be ending soon.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It has 60 days to be approved by parliament and there's a lot of squawking about it being unconstitutional by immigration attorneys. As gross as it is, the more nationalist fucks are also against it for fairly racist reasons. They can't stand the idea of Muslims getting citizenship before anyone else 🤮

I'm hoping if it does pass, it'll still leave a route to citizenship for Italian descendants. We were literally getting ready to file when this dropped.

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[–] TylerBourbon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wish that were true if you had Dutch ancestors. My maternal Grandfather immigrated with his parents when he was a little boy and came through Ellis Island. I've tried looking before, but from what I could, that wouldn't qualify me for Dutch citizenship, sadly. Otherwise, I'd probably jump at it.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 21 points 1 day ago

Yeah it's really hard. Most won't qualify.

If you're a skilled researcher or tenured professor you have a better shot but it will still not be easy.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 93 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Never thought I would see a flood of Americans refugees coming to Canada to escape a tyrannical government...

I guess that's what you get when you elect a criminal with dementia as president.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 34 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Really? People have been talking about it since the Bush administration. Until now things hadn't gotten bad enough for people to actually do it in large numbers, but people saying that if the Republicans win they'd move to Canada has been repeated so often over the decades that it became a bit of a joke.

[–] lorski@sopuli.xyz 33 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Trump 2.0 is WAY worse than any Bush.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Without the crucial steps the W Bush admin took, there would be no Trump. It's not that Trump isn't worse but they are part of the same fascist movement, just further developed.

[–] lorski@sopuli.xyz 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

We are talking people fleeing the USA for their lives. This is Trump phenomena as he is demonizing and literally going after dissenters.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 13 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Bush Jr. started doing that. I recall seeing protestors who opposed the Iraq invasion being arrested for dissent. Remember Dixie Chicks? Yeah, they got cancelled for that. And, lets also not forget about the random violence against anyone remotely kinda like an Arab, to include Punjabis, Liberians, Somalians, Burmese, etc.

I feel like waaaay too many people forgot about post 9-11 shit.

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I know, but it's the "never thought" part that I'm disputing. People have been thinking of this situation for a long time.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Must be nice to be able to leave

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 53 points 1 day ago (4 children)

scientists are usually the first target of when a dictator takes power, they often leave before shit hits the fan. then it goes to POC, and then lgbtq+, and then non-loyalists.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It kinda seems like immigrants and anti-war protesters made it to the top of the list this time.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Controlling the universities is for control of information.

The Nazis could easily burn down the Institute of Sex Research and all it contents. Today’s fascists cannot burn down the science on queer people and global warming.

Universities have smart people who can say “hey this is the way your economic policies are harming this group of people” or “being LGBT is a normal human variation” or “the American civil war was fought over slavery” or “here are characteristics that seem to be common to every incarnation of fascism, and how they all seem to be related to what’s happening now.”

The idiot arm attacks knowledge online with Alex Jones style “information warfare” - just repeating insane falsehoods over and over again. Never playing defense, always flooding the web with lies and half truths. This is also why fascists love AI so much. (How much time do people waste arguing with bots? And the amount of bots makes these ideas seem more “normal” and common then they are…)

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If we all go in on a boat we can invade Ireland

They can't stop us all

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Seriously. I wonder why European countries aren't massively jumping on this opportunity. Like every developed country, the nations of Europe need immigrants to prop up their demographics. Most of Europe's immigrants have been coming from countries in the global South. And while such immigrants have done well for the nations of Europe, there will always be less friction in bringing in immigrants from countries of more similar culture. Fuck any racists who hate Muslims. But the cold truth is it's probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries. European countries desperately need immigration, but right wing politics is on the rise, in large part due to the frictions of immigration. Obviously American and European cultures are not the same; there are still very real cultural differences. But European vs. American culture is far closer than many other cultural pairings out there.

European countries do have some very limited ancestry-based immigration policies. But they usually only go back a generation or two. If your parent or grandparent immigrated from a European country to the US, you can get easy immigration in a lot of EU countries. But for most Americans of European descent, that immigration happened generations ago.

If the EU countries were clever right now, they could take advantage of this opportunity to bring in large numbers of disaffected Americans. They could offer relocation assistance, make it cheap and easy for educated American progressives to pack their bags and jump the pond. And in exchange they get workers in their economies they don't have to train to educate, and immigrants who would assimilate quite readily into the existing cultural milieu.

Hell, personally, I'm a typical American in that I have a hodgepodge of European ancestry. But my ancestors came over before 1900, there's nowhere in Europe I qualify for immigration based on ancestry. But if one of the countries my ancestors came from wanted to made it cheap and easy for me to return to the old country, I would jump on that.

Hell, the politics of it sell itself. Bill it politically as "bringing the European diaspora home."

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[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 66 points 1 day ago

I'd be afraid to announce it until I'm out

[–] espentan@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

love America because it doesn’t have kings

I'm not convinced a president who can act with greater impunity than a king in any modern monarchy is better.

I read that a lot, "we don't have a king, thank cod". Is it because you've seen what a hell hole e.g. the Scandinavian countries are? /s

A king in a modern monarchy is nothing more than a representative of the country. He cuts ribbons and holds encouraging speeches on New Year's. That's pretty much it.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (7 children)

That doesn't mean we want one

A strong Parliament/Congress and judicial system is what keeps any executive in check. We've just got the worst of both worlds.

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[–] tacobellhop@midwest.social 46 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

We’re definitely in show me your papers days

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 day ago

Wouldn't say this put loud until I'm in Canada, but yeah. Leave while you can

[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know this isn’t related to the article but I would love it as a fuck you to Trump if Canada started allowing political refugees from the states

[–] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 13 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

My fear would be our MAGAts would lie tou you, claim they were never MAGA, get in, and start the same shit there.

[–] Bonzaibongo@lemm.ee 11 points 23 hours ago

they would have to scrub their entire social medias, they can barely work their iphones half the time.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Unfortunately they're already here :(

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[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Timothy Synder left for Canada too...

That's two less canaries in the coalmine.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago

Canaries were taken into coal mines to warn the miners of poisionous gasses by dropping dead. When the canary metaphorically picks the lock on its metaphorical cage and literally makes a break for the border, I think you can consider that a sign of a similar magnitude.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It'll take a lot more than words and guns

A whole lot more than riches and muscle

The hands of the many must join as one

And together we'll cross the river

[–] rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Who gets to turn into the fire breathing t-rex?

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (18 children)

It'd take more than pulling a passport to prevent the average citizen from illegally entering Canada and claiming refugee status

But I understand the concerns, especially with this steadfast bullshit about Canada being the 51st state.

Shits fucked, yo.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 28 points 1 day ago

I guess he wants to get a job there, find an apartment and then fly his family on an airplane instead sneaking in through the forest at night hoping he can spend couple months in a refugee camp whiles his application is being processed.

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[–] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (7 children)
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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm a US American who has been considering expatriating, but its too expensive.

Can someone tell me if my passport gets pulled, do I not have to pay the expatriation tax on my net worth?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago

I'm positive they will tax you all the same

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