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I know this has been an infuriating topic for a while now, but gosh it's getting on my nerves. I'm trying to watch Secret Level, finally, and I can't see half of what's happening because so many scenes across many of the shorts are pretty much pitch black.

Why?? Why not, y'know, just give us a little bit of fucking contrast? Instead, I have to choose whether to have a light on or to not see the scenes.

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Picard season 3 is very much a standout for this trend.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Light is expensive in the 24th century.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not so much in the 23rd century Kelvin-verse:

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[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 days ago

The lights were too high for 100 years so they're compensating. Dilithium crystals got expensive when the Ferengi cornered the market.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 5 days ago

Maybe they are actually in the dark dimension!

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It actually took me several seconds to notice the man in the first picture

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago

Lol I didn't notice till I read your comment.

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[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wow, that is egregiously bad. Almost impossible to tell what's going on in the first shot. Like, even in a dark shot you still need to be able to see their silhouettes or something. This just looks like a bunch of blobs.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I think he's playing a very small piano.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wow, is the Enterprise lose their engineer so no bulb is being replaced?

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's the Titan-A, but seems like everyone is photosensitive for some reason.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

Well yeah, there are only 4 lights.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 5 days ago

That series should be erased from history

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

Just watch Star Trek Enterprise instead.. :)

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[–] sheridan@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've noticed this problem with a lot of media made in the past decade. I think Netflix's 'Ozark' is one of the worst examples. In almost every indoor scene the lights are off or very dim.

However, I got an oled screen this year, and it's helped a lot with dim scenes. I'm guessing hollywood is calibrating for expensive high contrast screens like oled and mini-led?

[–] lambdabeta@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 days ago

I think this is the real answer. HDR is a thing and the baseline for expected dynamic range is higher than both what older displays can produce and older eyes can consume.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I can tolerate that, the one I can’t stand is Netflix shows where the ~dialogue is a mumbled quiet~ and random bits of foley try to blow my speakers out.

It makes it especially noticeable just how dodgy a lot of foley/sound editing work is, eg when someone throwing a punch and missing still goes WHOOSH at the same volume they use for gunshots. There’s YA shows now where even the camera panning gets a sound effect ffs

[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This cause could be downmixing from something like 5.1 or 7.1 to stereo. Because dialogue is mostly on the center channel while music and SFX are much more spread out in the soundstage, you might have a sound appear on speakers center, front left and back left while dialogue only happens on center.

This would mean that depending on the mix, you might have a sound that's 2-3 times louder than the dialogue when mixed to stereo since all those sounds have to get played on fewer speakers.

This is why a 5.1 compatible soundbar will be more balanced than stereo speakers, even if it doesn't have full surround sound. They have a physical speaker for each of the channels so at least the mix sounds better.

Not saying this is always the issue but its certainly one of the possible causes.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This myth gets brought up so often despite numerous evidence to the contrary. The sound sucks for people with good equipment as well. The sound sucks in theaters.

They just seem to have a hard-on for mumbling. Because of realism or something.

[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'd love to see the evidence, it depends on your player and how you're downmixing. There are some that do it better than others but this is definitely a thing.

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[–] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Dialogue is not really important, what you really need to hear is the exaggerated wet sucking noises of characters kissing each other.

(/s)

Soumd engineers are.big dicks these days. I am thinking of building a limiter and hooking my tv to a sound bar.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

They are giving you contrast, lots more contrast.

That's actually the problem, most people don't have very good displays and additionally watch dark content in lit rooms - but showrunners are pushing for HDR, when you've got a $20k Sony OLED PVM in bt2020 or 'color space off' (native gamma), everything looks good. (There is a BT709/sRGB emulation mode, but I don't think they care enough to use it)

Try to watch the same on an IPS LCD with possibly not even 100% SRGB coverage and you're going to have a bad time. Even a VA will have a bad time if viewed off-axis.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

In audio, you would test with multiple reference monitors and rooms. Cellphone, car, shitty tv speakers, mono, various headphones, etc. The idea being you record/edit/mix it on normal monitors, but then check it out in ways that normal people will, to see if it translates well or will sound like shit.

[–] Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I get where you're coming from but movie audio also fails here. The same darkness discussion arises about dialogue-to-explosion volume regularly :)

That doesn't take away from what you said they "proper" audio work is done that way ...

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago

Oh yeah, "movie theater dynamics" on home mixes kills me. I'm so glad Hollywood has, or at least had a period of that being toned down. Like I get the need to have explosions explosively louder than a whispering scene, but Jesus fucking Christ, give me a break, it doesn't need to be THAT extreme.

In some movies when I'm watching at home, I swear, there's a noticable two-mode system that's quite clearly loud-mode and quiet-mode, that if you had a macro on your volume, you could literally switch between, and the mastering would fit perfectly, and it's probably only 6-12db different.

That type of thing just isn't necessary. Or maybe there could be a different audio track. People have the bandwidth and storage, now, it'd be fine.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Can confirm. The most important test for my mixes is the car test. Get your buddies together, and hopefully they have a variety of cars. Play it in a nice car with great speakers, play it in a shitty 2001 Corolla with a blown out cone in the passenger door, and as many in between as you can get. The more homogenous the listening experience is across those cars, the better your mix will sound on a variety of systems.

For most people, their car is the best sound system they own. It’s also where people do a lot of listening, because very few people drive in complete silence. So if it sounds like ass in the car, people will stop listening.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Being able to balance for road noise masking may actually be the greatest skill on earth.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Did you take your sunglasses off?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

Thanks that was it

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

What kind of nerd do you take me for?

Of course not! It's nighttime!

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

What’s your exact watching setup? Like TV, room, player, source?

There are likely ways to mitigate this, but it all depends on your setup.

[–] CTDummy@aussie.zone 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Dark shows on decent/properly calibrated screens are my crack tho. Why must you deprive me.

[–] Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You do you, boo. I just want to see what I'm watching ;-;

[–] CTDummy@aussie.zone 4 points 5 days ago

You know what, fair enough. My reply was more tongue in cheek. I don’t doubt it would be frustrating.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Lighting is expensive!

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Your display likely has some sort of brightness/contrast setting.

If you're playing this movie on a computing device, the video player software likely also has adjustment settings at the software level. I use mpv on Linux to watch most video, and there, by default, 1 and 2 are contrast, 3 and 4 brightness, and 5 and 6 gamma.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

yeah, MPV is the goat

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is definitely a thing. See comment with screeshots from Picard. But I don't let it infuriate me - just adjust the screen or crank up the gamma or, if you want the cinematic experience, switch off surrounding lights.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have to choose whether to have a light on or to not see the scenes.

have you ever adjusted your TV? sounds to me like it might just need some calibrating.

[–] Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I guess I've gotta figure this out. It's pretty new and I thought it was supposed to just be able to help with the darkness. But I dunno

[–] FG_3479@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

It's pretty new

Almost all TVs come with a power saving or eco mode enabled by default which ruins visibility. Find that in the settings and turn it off. You should also turn off motion interpolation (e.g Trumotion, Clear Motion Plus, Motionflow) so motion doesn't become a smeary and artificial mess.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

they assume people have better TVs now than a decade or more ago

so those of us watching on older hardware suffer

side note: my OLED TV is fantastic for contrast. the smooth motion shit glitches the fuck out sometimes though no matter which setting it is on (including off, somehow?), and it's a smart TV so now it constantly asks for me to update it so it can spy on me more or some shit idk. super fucking annoying to have to dismiss a popup every time it turns on

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

Gotham was bad for this

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