This is all about a stupid religion war.
Religion is bad, people. They make you believe in things that don't exist, they dictate your actions and worse, if you get an ounce of power, they make you a megalomaniac.
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Florida Republicans are furious that Muslims are using a voucher program meant to boost Christianity
(www.friendlyatheist.com)
No lies detected.
Religion is the biggest scourge against humanity.
I'm curious what your definition of religion is?
ROFL It would be interesting if the Satanic Church also decided to use the voucher program too, that would be the cherry on top. Sometimes protesting a dumb law is using it as intended.
TST might. Subverting theopolitical bullshit is kinda their jam.
I'll go ahead and say it, I don't think they should. TST is all about free speech, and while this is tangentially related, getting government money has never been their jam. And I kinda dig that about them.
This is true, I love what they've been doing to support abortion rights with clinics that have the most hilarious names; if they get their ball in the court, this Christian Nationalist Scheme will collapse.
Religion is based on delusions without evidence, and the beliefs and practices are harmful to both individuals and society.
Ergo there is little difference between being religious to other forms of metal diseases.
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-mental diseases 🤣
...for about 4000 years humans have been on the cusp of something greater, yet some religious fucks keep holding us back because we have to build pyramids...
The religious outnumber, mainly due to cults know how to nab the average human. Mainly, talk loudly, act aggressive, play on common fears, and act like you have all the answers. It helps if you mention receiving them from a disembodied voice only you can hear, who speaks of doom and says you’re the prophet/savior.
I don’t think people understand the amount of coercion inherent in any religion, even the more mundane ones, unless they were in it and got out. I grew up in a liberal brand of Lutheranism I like to refer to as beer-drinking Christianity because it’s so harmless seeming. And yet looking back it was rife with the kinds of things experts would absolutely label brainwashing tactics. Of course under the guise of fun activities like church camps and such but that makes it all the more dangerous.
Historically not the best take. Early civilizations like Egypt relied on religion to create a social hierarchy. The Pharoah was believed to be divine and that is why they had the right to rule.
Even earlier in Mesopotamia those first city states operated on the same general idea. Religion seems to be an important part in forming early social hierarchy. You even see this in Aztec and Inca cultures.
So yeah to have complex organized societies it seems a few pyramids were necessary.
That being said now in the modern period religion isn't necessary, but it does seem to have been very important in the past to building complex society as we know it.
Society ≠ hierarchy.
In fact, hierarchical authoritarianism (both religious, political, and mixtures) IS the proverbial pyramids.
If not for the pyramids and the exploitation they represent, the Egyptians could have been a much more egalitarian and thus successful society.
So yeah to have complex organized societies it seems a few pyramids were necessary
Nope! Complexity and organization does NOT necessitate strict and often arbitrary hierarchy.
That being said now in the modern period religion isn't necessary
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but it does seem to have been very important in the past to building complex society
Nope. They just hadn't invented better systems of government yet. In fact, every time social progress has been achieved, it's been in SPITE if religion, never because of it.
as we know it.
Yeah, very much the warts of it all.
We have hierarchy, always have. Even chimpanzees have a social hierarchy.
Every human society has had a hierarchy of some sort. What changes is the distribution of resources. Historically as societies become more complex social stratification increases and resources become less evenly distributed. Defining complex society is a bit well complex but I can go into the anthropological paradigms currently being used in the field if you want.
Unfortunately you have taken a conversation focused on an anthropological/archaeological break down of human society's relation to organized religion and tried to match it to your political philosophy. I regret to inform you it does not.
Now that being said what was does not necessitate what must be. I think we have to ask ourselves why as a species every time we developed a complex society we included stratification, religion, and an uneven distribution of resources if we ever want to move past those things. Is the answer truly as simple as "we just hadn't invented better systems of government yet"? Or is there something about our inherent being that causes us to repeat this pattern independently across multiple unrelated societies?
I don't have the answers to these, no one does. And they are the subject of much academic debate.
Now moving into the realm of personal opinion. I do agree that we have progressed and can form a much better form of governance. I do however believe that religion was an important factor in the creation of ancient socities and to the eventual progression to us. I do agree though that religion has caused a lot of harm and is not necessary for modern society. But in the times past where we were just beginning to write and raise crops there is an undeniable repeating pattern of religion and its relation to societal structure.
So to sum it up politically and as it applies to modern times I'm with you. But as an archaeologist I have to disagree with your interpretation of the past.
Man it sucks so hard that humans have been held back by religious fucks such as checks notes Isaac Newton.
Isaac Newton's religion was as relevant to his scientific achievements as Hitler's vegetarianism was to his atrocities.
In other words: correlation doesn't equal causation.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, that's not my point. My point is that the statement "religious fucks have held us back for millennia" is nonsensical because before the last three hundred years or so everyone was a "religious fuck."
Otherwise brilliant people who happen to be religious on the side are fine, if misguided.
That's not who we're talking about here, though. "Religious fucks" in this context almost certainly means people and institutions who insist on their religion being the ultimate decider on what people are allowed to do, say, or even THINK.
THOSE are a poison to freedom, creativity, and well-functioning society. Especially in the cases of theocracies and semi-theocracies like Israel and the US.
i think using the word "a religious fanatic" would be a better term. im roman catholic, but sure as hell not ok with the shit going on down south of me from here up in Canada.
lead is a metal, so it makes sense
Sigh please change, Lemmy.
PS: That's literally not what "mental disease" means.
A behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning; however, it excludes normal responses such as the grief from loss of a loved one and also excludes deviant behavior for political, religious, or societal reasons not arising from a dysfunction in the individual.
If you are delusional to a degree that it is preventing you to function in your daily life, that is absolutely mental disease. Per definition.
Do you... do you think religious people don't function in their daily lives?
Activities that are harmful to yourself and your surroundings are a form of not functioning.
Being poor and voting Trump is a form of self harm.
Disowning family and friends for being LGBT is a form of not functioning.
Believing prosperity gospel and donating to a church is a form of self harm, and failure to address problems properly.
Believing death is not that important because there's a way better afterlife is outright insane, and a huge potential cause for self harm.
Except seeing how religious people who claim to believe that, are whining when they are about to die, proves they don't really believe it.
It is very obvious that a belief system based on delusions is harmful when followed. The "Thoughts and prayers" idea is an obvious example, it allows people to do nothing about a problem with a good conscience.
And as we can see in American society, the delusional mindset is absolutely extremely harmful to American society.
The cog wheel may be turning, but it is broken so it does damage to itself and the cogwheels it is connected to with every turn it takes.
The only reason strongly religious people may appear to be functioning, is that for some reason that form of insanity is accepted by the majority, and because of that, so are the harmful effects of it.
Sigh please change, Lemmy. BTW if you're looking for something to stretch, rubber bands are a better option than word definitions.
Seems like you are in denial, maybe because you are yourself religious, or have loved ones you refuse to acknowledge that their religiosity is crazy.
As predicted by everyone.
I LOVE this for them.
Hahahaha Hahaha!
It's really crazy how deep religion runs with people. It destroys their political stance, their morals, their empathy, their daily life, and the ability to grow.
I really hate how cult-like religion is and it only gets worse with time.
Religions. Are. Cults.
They are actually. Just. Cults.
Religions are also a mental illness.
well im already mentally ill so why not.
It destroys their political stance, their morals, their empathy, their daily life, and the ability to grow.
You had to have it to lose it. This money was earmarked "Whites Only" and now a court has opened the door to the wrong people.
Oh, no!
Anyway...
Very amusing but they'll just change the law to specify Christians and that will be that.
A judge interested in enforcing the constitution would rule that as unconstitutional and strike down the law. Separation of state and church. Government can't pass legislation that favors one religion over another. All it would take is a lawsuit.
Until that lawsuit hits the corrupt scotus with a literal handmaiden presiding, where they'll rule that while all religions are equal, some are more equal than others.
Islam will be worth 3/5 of Christianity
I don't think laws mean anything anymore. There are too many bad faith (pun intended) people in positions of power.
In a just country that would happen. I am no longer confident that's how it would play out. For example, this court already ruled that Native American religion doesn't matter and it's ok to demolish their sacred sites: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-turns-away-native-american-lawsuit-copper-mine-sacred-la-rcna183774
I almost wish they'd just pull off the bandaid, openly rule that the first amendment only applies to Christians and unmask themselves. They've been slowly making a Christian theocracy and people need to wake up to what is happening.
Called it when this bullshit passed the collection of white nationalist grifters known as the Florida legislature.
Malicious compliance, perhaps?
This is just one example of why the Christian Nationalists want to do away with the Constitution. Especially that pesky First Amendment with those godless Freedoms of Religion, Speech, Press, and Assembly! It totally undermines the authority of the Theocracy they are working to establish and so must be abolished!
Once they have the Theocracy in place, the sectarian wars will quickly begin. Which christian sect will prevail? Place your bets!