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Microsoft development strategy (infosec.pub)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by cm0002@infosec.pub to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev

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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 125 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I love how accurate this image is. As they hammer more the structure becomes more and more unstable.

I've noticed the AI search suggestions from Bing and Google are just becoming more and more inaccurate as they feed off themselves. I can't even imagine what it's doing to systems we can't see.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Everything is fine. It will become god and fix all our problems any second now, and if you say that's mathematically impossible you're just a hater.

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

"We will create God then ask him for money."

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

"It doesn't matter that we are burning 1 trillion dollars with no pat to revenue, because we will create God and it will make money meaningless."

"Also, it will cure cancer and solve Global Warming. I know dumb people like you that can't even get a trillion dollars to burn care about those things.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

TIL Catholics invented AI

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

Exactly!

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, nitpick, but if you blamed mathematics you actually would be. The observation that AI/LLMs are highly unreliable and don't appear to be getting any better is empirical.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We ha e known since the 50s. The math was done.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmm. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Do you have a link?

[+] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No but Turing was involved, and the guy who wrote ELIZA

The tech isn't new. That's all the effort I'm willing to put in for this trash.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And that paper's name? Albert Einstein. I can't find anything on Weizenbaum and Turing authoring together. Weizenbaum seems to have written mostly prose and code, even - he's not really thought of for his mathematical innovations, although obviously math was his original field.

Back in the 50's people thought conventional algorithms, like everybody here has worked with, were going to reach human intelligence. They could play chess, and chess is smart guy stuff, so obviously recognising a bird should be easy, right? Well, they figured out that wasn't right, and so began the first AI winter.

The tech of deep neural nets is in fact fairly new. Like, arguably it didn't become a thing until the Cold War was ending, although there were a lot of precursors, and it kind of arrived gradually.

[+] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

'Deep neural nets' that's not a thing, dude. If it was, it was out on ice for this trash.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Any comments on how you attempted to lie to us all there? To win an internet argument?

It is. It's one that has hidden layers, as opposed to a shallow neural net which does not. Shallow neural nets aren't really a thing anymore, so it's usually omitted, but historically things like the perceptron go back further, and they're conceptually simpler to update during training. They also can't really deal with anything nonlinear.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Okay boomer. You understand technology I guess. This technology that's so good and has so many applications and isn't a trillion+ dollar ponzi scheme, and is totally gonna summon us up god any minute now.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 hours ago

Thank you, yes I do. And like I said in OP it seems to be crapping out pretty good at it's current level of ability - maybe it's not a Ponzi scheme, but it is a giant overvalued bubble.

The internet can't hurt you, you don't have to lie to us. And it kinda pisses me off when people do anyway, because it makes it worse for everyone.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

i mean, we have the solutions to a lot of problems already

traffic? public trains

hunger? just like, feed people

global warming? reduce fossil fuel usage and stop poisoning the oceans

homeless? literally so many empty homes, put people in them???

and we've had many smart people create step by step plans for all of these!

the thing is... i guess rich people want a solution that doesn't involve them paying for something that's good not just for them but for others? so all those plans fail at step 1 - have empathy

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

noai.duckduckgo my beloved, glad that's the best free option rn (although I think Kagi is getting popular too, but that's paid).

[–] Uri@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago

Kagi pays yandex for image search ewww. Use a searxng instance and thank me later. Seriously give it a try

[–] keyez@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Glad to know that option is available, I've been using DDG for years and use the AI assist like once a week when I have a really specific search about a movie or scene or actor or event happening 14 years ago going off memory. After about the 3rd search I actually get useful information from the AI assist.

Most recently I searched for "movie scene with slow motion cannonballs flying around while ship explodes" because I could remember that gif but not the movie. No search results were helpful, nor images or videos but the AI assist said it was a scene from the 3rd pirates of the Caribbean.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Also it's building on top of existing fragility (the thin pillar below), and only making it worse

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 68 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not just MS though, right?

[–] SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

MS is especially egregious about it.

They're planning the next iteration of Windows to be primarily AI-driven - as in, the AI runs things for you.

[–] mogranja@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

AI ruins things for you

FTFY

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

well Microsoft saaaaaays that, but they also said in the same video that they'd achieve "Computing in the realm of Quantum" so I predict multiple shitty interface updates and a few new pop-ups.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Most developers in general.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a developer this has not been my experience, we all hate it with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

My former boss fucking loved it though, but he was a PM not a dev.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 20 hours ago

I guess that last sentence sums it up well.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

More like C Level people that force devs to make this crap

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are job postings that not only actively encourage it as part of the job description but ask that you be enthusiastic about it

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 39 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Meanwhile that little block at the bottom is still doing its best to keep it all together. For now.

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago

could it be the foss and publicly fund research and training I wonder

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

DNS?

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

MS can't force that one to use AI on development. But they can force almost everybody up.

[–] ikoz@programming.dev 37 points 2 days ago

It will collapse due to the AI slop(e)

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

collapsed inline media

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago

Love the person in the background getting up, looking over and just sitting back down again like Greg sledgehammering his monitor to pieces is nothing extraordinary

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Functional programmers when the content of their PC's memory change (no longer safe, and no longer upholds functional programming paradigms):

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago

System76 2k PC

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

They are putting it into washing machines these days.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

More like doing a big sloppy crap of AI on top of everything.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

At least copilot only does shit when you click on it, even if it is useless.

Unlike Google, which wastes tons of electric and water every single search without the users consent. That is a lot more damaging to society than whatever Microsoft does.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I'm blown away that they actually named it copilot. I would have thought they'd name it something stupid like "my computer* or "xbox" or "me".

[+] freamon@preferred.social -11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Speaking of being needlessly destructive with stupid bots, these duplicates of other user's posts don't even register as cross-posts anymore (due to image proxying).

[–] cm0002@infosec.pub 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Lol what bots? This is all manual hence why some posts get through with the dumb proxy URL that I typically manually edit

Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

Megathread on the issue

Some highlights from the link:

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.