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Holy crap Americans are so complacent.
They are so against union action or workers banding together to do anything meaningful for their workplace or themselves that it takes another outside circumstance to cause them to stop working.
Unionize and work together to force all levels of government to do something about this problem!
Air traffic controllers once did have a union, they went on strike, and then Reagan fired everyone. The union was decertified by the government and dissolved.
The FAA also never fully recovered and has been short-staffed since Reagan.
Which means they can't ever do that again, which should have given the power back to the ATCs to simply ignore the law and strike anyway.
Even Trump can't make new ATCs appear out of thin air.
Well that's the thing, just like Reagan, he can use the military to temporarily replace them.
Military airfields have the same procedures
Then they should do that so they earn pay more honestly than invading people at home and abroad.
Many do, but you don't understand that once you sign up for the military you are trapped in it for a while.
Also I generally don't try to hate the individual that much. We all know the US military is designed to target the most impoverished and desperate in our society to feed them to the war machine. There are many places in the United States where the only way to escape poverty is the military. This is intentional, it creates the illusion of a "volunteer" military and frankly people care less when poor people die.
SMH. You referenced Reagan, as in the US administration. That's who I referenced.
What? You're suggesting that Reagan should have left the presidency to be a full time air traffic controller? Or are we talking about soldiers from the 80s?
I thought it was pretty clear we were talking about modern day America and using examples from the past to demonstrate the options that Trump could use
The admin. Holy shit, so much for inference.
Then they should do that so they earn pay more honestly than invading people at home and abroad.
How is this statement not talking about the individual soldiers?
I'm certain you're not suggesting Trump leave the presidency to become and air traffic controller.
Nah they still have the union, but it's illegal for them to strike so it's pretty toothless.
"Illegal"
That's what they thought last time they striked. Reagan fired them all even knowing the chaos it would cause.
I doubt Donny could pull it off though.
Might happen again at Thanksgiving.
That would be such a hilariously sad type of self harm. I don't think the staffing has even fully recovered from the Reagan layoffs.
I would imagine it has, but... ATC training takes a few years and the ones who have stuck it out have been in those roles a long time. There is a cohort of staff who all started and will leave the service at around the same time. I would imagine they are seinor staff or managers by now in their careers, but that much institutional knowlege leaving at the same time would be just as damaging.
You would think that... But before the strike there was 14k ATC controllers, full capactity.
Right now there are currently 10,643 fully-certified air traffic controllers operating 313 federal facilities across the nation.
The total number of certified controllers required to fully staff all facilities to established staffing targets is 14,633.
The American national airspace system is 72.7% staffed with controllers. There is a deficit of 3,990 certified controllers.
They still do have a union. It's just illegal for them to strike.
What did these morons think was going to happen? That people working for free was going to be sustainable?
I'm amazed that they didn't all put down their mics the moment they didn't get paid.
And keep in mind: The orange turd already promised people would not get any back pays.
A few different reasons from what I’ve gathered lurking around various communities. Full disclosure: I’m not in the aviation industry, just someone with an interest.
Again this is just my observation. Anyone with more insider knowledge feel free to correct me.
Who would blame ATC for an incident? It would obviously, clearly be the fault of the Republicans that refuse to staff the government. ATC are not slaves.
Who would blame ATC for an incident?
"The common clay of the new west, you know... morons"
The same idiots who blame people working at Walmart for being on food stamps instead of blaming Walmart for paying their workers so poorly that they need food stamps
Yup. To you or I it’s blatantly obvious that the system is at the breaking point and there have been numerous close calls. The public that isn’t fully captured doesn’t have a strong opinion on the subject except that air travel is a PITA.
Remember that press conference after the DCA mid-air earlier this year?
The orange turd already promised people would not get any back pays.
Well no he didn't. He stated that about furloughed employees. The ones not going to work. The ones working are entitled to backpay paycheck.
Additionally, and as always, he's talking about things he doesn't really understand. Federal backpay for furloughed workers was codified into law. Meaning they'd have to pass a budget with a line specifying that furloughed federal works won't get paid and nullifying the previous law. That would be quite a bad move for most congressional representatives. Almost a garuntee to lose a lot of votes.
Even better. It was codified into law BY HIM and repubs.
It would also be the first time in history since the budget is done this way (since the 70s).
Trump has shown a propensity to just ignore the law, and instruct those in charge of carrying out expected or required processes, to do the same. Sure, he'll get sued, but that hasn't even slowed him so far.
I believe they're legally forbidden from striking and have to be careful it isn't seen as such.
If you're not getting paid, it is not striking.
It's not a strike if your employer stops paying you.
Ruling class: Come on, they're peasants! It's not like they make money anyways.
The Epstein shutdown continues to grind America to a halt
With the way things are going, I'm glad I don't need to fly anywhere. The holiday travel season this year is going to be a disaster.
Republicans: "WhY dOeS nO oNe vISiT uS? BuT oUr toUrISm!?!"
🎼 O' Say Can You See 🎵
🎵 Still waitin' for the flight 🎵
And the pilots red glare; planes colliding mid-air,
Gave proof through the night that the paychecks arent there
Oh say is that plane really
falling from the sky?
O'er the land of the free
Fuckin' poke in the eye
Once so proudly we'd wait
For the boarding call booming
Bring back the ATC union!
Finally, Donald Trump doing something good by protecting Americans from the hell that is LAX!
