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Air traffic controller Jack Criss is now clearing takeoffs and takeout orders. The single dad took on a side gig as a DoorDash delivery driver during the second-longest government shutdown in modern history in order to make some extra cash and cover his daughter's high school tuition.

For the past few weeks, air traffic controllers have been receiving partial pay – but next week, they're expected to miss their first full paychecks as the funding lapse continues.

"It's been incredibly difficult. You can feel the tension, and it's heavy…and it hurts," Criss said in an interview that aired on "CBS Saturday Mornings."

As the government shutdown rolls into Day 25, Congress remains unable to strike a deal. The Senate failed to advance measuresThursday that would pay federal employees like Criss.

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[–] Kay_dee1978@lemmy.world 86 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Retired ATC here.

  1. Controllers do get paid VERY well, especially EnRoute Controllers. Within any EnRoute center, there will be 150-300 controllers (+ 100 techs, managers, admin, HR, etc...) There is a wide variance of financial situations. Some controllers were single with no kids and no money issues. Some were a paycheck from being homeless...the same as any other organization. Some live within their means, some couldn't save a dollar if their lives depended on it (but they still ran aircraft tight). Kids, medical bills, tuition, braces...no different than anywhere...however...

  2. Controllers can't strike. When PATCO controllers walked out in 1981, Reagan fired them all and replaced them with Military controllers until new hires could be trained. It set precedent that striking for ATC is not allowed. Could they strategically call in sick? Yes. But management is looking for this. And with this current climate of "fire fed employees first, ask to return to work later", the current union (NATCA) is warning everyone not to call in sick in a coordinated manner. Especially with the NLRB unable to hear cases (due to the board not being filled by the current administration).

  3. Controllers will not just "Let planes crash". They will be petty, snarky, or may delay your flight, but no, they aren't going to "just let planes crash". Also, while controllers are not held personally liable for accidents, a controller CAN be held liable for proven negligence or intentionally crashing aircraft. Controllers make it a point of pride to work more planes with no accidents or loss of separation.

  4. No, controllers are not going to quit. It's a federal government job that pays well (when they get paid), with government benefits and a pension. It's a better job than almost any other in the country that takes a specific kind of visual and audio processing to perform. It's an exhilarating and challenging job that changes every day and makes you feel proud of what you do.

It's disingenuous to say "Don't like it? Quit." It takes years of training. It's one of the most stressful and emotionally taxing trainings that you can go through. It's a high paying job with a pension. You don't go through that fire just to give it all up.

Some controllers will need a second job. When the 35-day shutdown hit, I was fine the 1st partial paycheck. The first missed full check? Okay. But heading into the SECOND missed paycheck? Well...I was starting to see where I needed to move things around. Think about it. Half a paycheck. Then no paycheck. Then NO paycheck again! These things start to make you pucker a little more each time.

Is it really reasonable to say, "You get paid so well, you should be able to afford NOT GETTING PAID FOR OVER A MONTH (oh and...you still need to come in to work). I don't really know anyone that can take an entire month with no pay and just be okay.

Are we really using the avocado toast argument for ATC???

And, you can't REALLY get a second job. The FAA makes it clear that you are a controller 1st and any other job cannot supercede the duties of your ATC work. You are still working for the FAA, you're just not getting paid for it. So no, you can't just say, "You're not paying me, well, I'll just get a job at Walmart in the meantime"....you still got a shift to work!"

The solution is so much bigger than ATC. How we fund the government, WHY we even shut the government down, WHY we allow "essential" employees that are SO vital to our operation and national security that they CANNOT STOP WORKING even if they don't get paid. ATC is a pawn in the middle of the government shutdown b.s.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Imo unpaid traffic controllers represents a safety violation and I would argue breeches union contracts for pilots and flight crews, who are the folks who ought to be striking.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

reagan dissolved the original ATC union, so i doubt the new one has any teeth.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

They aren't talking about ATC, they are talking about Pilot unions.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

That all sounds great. They're working for orange Hitler. He's straight up said furloughed workers don't have to get back pay, a policy he fucking signed into law himself! He found a way to pay ICE and got one of his donors to pay the troops but not a group that's nigh unreplaceable, responsible for several tons of metal not falling out of the sky. Norms and promises don't apply anymore.

[–] whiwake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago

What is “high paying”

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So what happens when an ATC just... Can't afford to live anymore? Say this shutdown continues until April, and all the ATC savings are basically gone? There's gonna be either mass strikes or just a bunch of them quitting because the alternative is working a full-time job and starving at home.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago

australian ATC is looking for international applicants, so it might be an option if they are unwilling to move to another industry.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Sry but no. If your livelihood depends on it stand up cut your loses and move on. Nothing changes until people are inconvenienced enough. Unless the FAA is going to walk into your house and put a gun in your mouth those are all choices.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 4 days ago

What if you call in sick without coordinating with anyone?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Controllers are going to let planes crash, but it's not going to be on purpose

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

For those who do get paid very well, I wonder why so many can’t afford even one month; many experts suggest a 3-6 month emergency fund (I know the median paid American can’t really do that these days). Now, I understand everyone has a different situation, but I always find it strange when so many who are being paid very well for years don’t have even a month’s worth of expenses.

I think this non payment situation is inexcusable though and even well prepared individuals cannot do this forever. Something will have to give.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 74 points 4 days ago (4 children)

ATCs should be striking right now. We don't need air travel. Shut down the skies and the Orange Reich will suffer.

How the fuck is that even considered a strike?

If I don't pay my mechanic, and they refuse to fix my car, is that a strike?

If it isn't illegal to not work when you aren't paid, that just a form of slavery

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 25 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They've done that. Reagan fired all of them, which was kinda insane.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (9 children)

That doesn't stop them from doing it again. Striking always carries the risk of being fired

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 4 days ago

being furloughed is essentially bein unemployed right now anyways, no harm in quitting or taking LOA.

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[–] MinFapper@startrek.website 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Eh, the world is a lot more dependent on air travel than we were in the 80s. I don't think Trump will be able to do the same

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 4 days ago

and we never recovered to pre-reagan ATC levels too. i think we still have remenents of the atc from reagan still working right now,.

[–] vale@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

5 U.S.C. § 7311 essentially says federal employees do not have the legal right to strike. the last time ATC went on strike it did not go well for them

[–] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago

Does anybody, really?

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Oh they said they aren't allowed! In that case lol

I'm not an air traffic controller but it seems they haven't been treated very well lately to Begin with and now they are asked to work without pay. At that point I would stop caring about what the people in charge told me.

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[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago

Nobody with any number of years in is going to risk losing their retirement.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Quit.

If they aren't paying you, leave. Mid-shift for an extra kick to their dick*. What are they going to do? Not pay you? At this point you're a volunteer to an abusive relationship.

Yes, planes would crash*. That's the point. People shouldn't even be getting on planes right now when the system designed to keep them safe is falling to bits. This guy is going to make an error resulting in a plane crash anyway once he really gets strapped and is up all-day delivering food to the rich and then trying to manage air traffic at night.

**I don't know what to tell you. If I die because a plane falls on me due to the federal government being a mess, I would hope that someone, somewhere, would get motivated to do something about it.

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[–] LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 days ago

Imagine if everyone just stopped working.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 24 points 4 days ago (14 children)
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[–] immobile7801@piefed.social 22 points 4 days ago

This seems like one of the jobs that should get paid no matter what, bc you know people could die.

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I think I'm missing info here. Air traffic controllers, at least in my country, are VERY well paid. Going a month without paycheck is usually not a huge problem to them because they have savings.

How is this guy having to go to doordash deliveries to get some money after some weeks of going on partial paycheck? How "partial" is it? Or how low is their normal paycheck? Or what are their common expenses?

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is America. He probably has crippling medical debt or some shit.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 3 points 4 days ago

*Definitely

[–] teft@piefed.social 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Lots and lots of people in the US live above their means. Especially rich people since the keeping up with the jones mentality is everywhere. That means while they might have a lot of assets they are also leveraged out the nose and live paycheck to paycheck.

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[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

that doesnt seem worth it for how competitive it is to get the job. also its a very stressful job, will likely cause health issues eating into the income.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

people should look at australian ATC, i hear they are recruiting international atc. no language barrier there.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I feel like airport workers might need to strike to end the shutdown and keep people safe.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

And the worst part is they won't get backpay if they quit or get fired, so they're caught in something of a sunk cost falacy which might result in them showing up exhausted.

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