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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago (3 children)

A16Z should be shut down and all their mid to senior level employees should be required to pick between real community service work (de-mining, live-in janitor at a hospice service, custodian at an infectious disease hospital) for 20 years or doing 40 in jail. Full asset seizure in both cases.

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The thing is, what they're doing isn't technically criminal. It just violates the terms of use of most social media sites and apps.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Their crypto pyramids schemes and pump and dumps were also technically legal in the US (I am assuming). And yet it is impossible for a pyramid scheme to work, can any US lawyer or judge show how a pyramid is viable? Of course not, because they are scams.

You have "technically legal" schemes in other countries too. If there is a desire to address criminality a way can be found.

If you want to achieve something, coming up with excuses around why it is not possible rarely bring results.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

pyramids schemes

Pyramid schemes are not legal in the US.

There are some systems that have some aspects in common with pyramid schemes that are legal (Social Security sometimes gets called a "pyramid scheme" by people that don't like it, for example, and MLM schemes are legal, though they can, in practice, partially work something like pyramid schemes).

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

Social Security [...] gets called a "pyramid scheme"

I assume people arguing this also don't have any other form of insurances?

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I am not a lawyer, so I can't make any claims about US law.

If, as you claim, pyramid schemes / ponzi / pump and dumps are not legal in the US. , how is it that A16Z leadership wasn't arrested for investing in Axie Infinity?

A business model like Axie Infinity is mathematically impossible. The same cannot be said of government safety net systems.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

Axie Infinity

I'm not familiar with Axie Infinity, so I can't tell you off-the-cuff.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

Ah yes the old legal vs right argument.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It would be wise to make openly manipulating social media systematically (with or without AI) illegal, immediately.

Social media is for real people to freely engage and share their viewpoints, not for bot farms and other forms of organized astroturfing to shape opinion by appearing as independently-affiliated real people.

Discourse is an incredibly valuable tool for humanity, and we can't let this be taken away from us - especially by those making a killing off of it or those paying for the privilege.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 5 days ago

Too complicated. Arson is much, much simpler.

[–] tal@lemmy.today -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A16Z should be shut down

No point. I'm sure that they're not the only ones, and there will be more.

One possibility is that we just have to have expensive identities


the "Reddit model" where anyone who wants to can just create a new, anonymous identity doesn't work. We can maybe be pseudonymous, but we might not be able to create lots of identities the way we do today.

Or maybe we'll have to have a more-elaborate reputation system.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Shutting down the legal entity isn't that strong of an incentive, I agree.

Having to do 20 years community service as a junior janitor at an infectious disease hospital in rural congo and losing all your money (every last cent) is exactly the type of incentive that would work with American VC types.

Not saying that US society (as it stands today) is capable of reforms, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't take a sober attitude when evaluating the type of incentives that could work.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 29 points 5 days ago

Using AI to impersonate another human, real or, fictional should become a crime. It is becoming rapidly apparent that people are far more easily manipulated than we would like to think. We're staring down the barrel of a world where anyone with $7500 bucks can orchestrate global conversation on any topic they want be it religious, economic, or political.

[–] bigchungus@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lakhani said Doublespeed doesn’t support “political efforts.”

...for the same price.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And even if it's never political, so what?

Someone uses it to promote a dangerous supplement, with thousands of fake, AI-generated videos of people taking it without issues, and suddenly a bunch of people buy it, take it, and suffer severe consequences, or even die.

But good thing it's not gonna manipulate who you'd vote for amirite? Totally harmless! /s

[–] bigchungus@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago

Oh, I agree with you. My point was that they will probably support more political efforts than the spokespeople will have you believe.

[–] Icytrees@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago

If dead internet theory was the goal.

[–] seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

what in the actual 1984 is that thumbnail (and that slogan)

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It's showing cell phones as marionettes. Marionettes are sometimes used as a metaphor to indicate that someone else is, behind the scenes, controlling something. Here, the company is controlling social media accounts.

[–] seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 days ago

yes, i understood the metaphor, in my comment i meant "what the fuck"

[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How do I tag db0 to ask if we can make the horde make leftist instathotties to combat this

Flood the feed with a million twinks and AOCs and Republican Congress will coom itself until early retirement.

Only good capitalist is a dead capitalist.

[–] ChogChog@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Great, now there’s MSMaaS??

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Maybe it's time to have a little think about that word, "influencer", and how that is a job with which people make money.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Bots, repeat after me: Glory to Arstotzka, best country in the world!