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[–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Weird story. Apparently, the delivery driver walked into the customers home (door was open) where he was waiting? with his pants and underwear down.

When I delivered pizza, I would absolutely never enter a home. That's like rule #1. Really good way to get robbed. Or see something you don't want to.

And seeing a naked man in his home is not the same as being sexually assaulted. It's gross and probably illegal if he set it all up for sexual gratification, but unless there's more to this story, there was no assault.

I'm not sure what she wanted door dash to do about it? If you report something like that they obviously won't respond immediately, it would get flagged and sent to a legal team.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, maybe deacticate the guy's account instead of the victim? Or arbitrate it properly? Definitely not disable access to her account (and money). But I guess now she has a legal case against them for both negligence and wage theft (I know the US doesn't really prosecute wage theft, even though it is the biggest form of financial theft).

[–] M137@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

"deactiate"

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When I delivered pizza, I would absolutely never enter a home. That's like rule #1. Really good way to get robbed. Or see something you don't want to.

I also delivered pizza and knew this rule..... Partly because fellow drivers and my workplace told me about it. These drivers don't have coworkers nor bosses that tell them what is and what isn't safe. A lot of them are young and have never worked with the general public, or have previously been very sheltered.

And seeing a naked man in his home is not the same as being sexually assaulted. It's gross and probably illegal if he set it all up for sexual gratification, but unless there's more to this story, there was no assault.

Yes, it is..... Like most people, you are confusing assault with battery. Sexual assault is any nonconsensual sexual contact(meeting/encounter). Sexual battery or aggravated sexual assault is sexual assault with the use or threat of force.

I'm not sure what she wanted door dash to do about it? If you report something like that they obviously won't respond immediately, it would get flagged and sent to a legal team.

Some of the apps require you to get a code from the buyer to get paid for the delivery.

I don't really know why we are blaming the victim here?

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes, it is..... Like most people, you are confusing assault with battery. Sexual assault is any nonconsensual sexual contact(meeting/encounter). Sexual battery or aggravated sexual assault is sexual assault with the use or threat of force.

An alternate perspective: he had a peeper let herself into his house, then accuse him of being naked in his own home.

From her perspective, she obviously believes it was an intentional assault. On the other side of the same coin, it’s entirely possible that she just strolled into some dude’s house when he wasn’t expecting it. And if that’s the case, he was the one who was assaulted. He was out of public view, and being naked in the privacy of your own home isn’t a crime by itself. By her own admission, she entered his house.

My point is simply that we can’t know what happened, because none of us were there. So to simply open by stating that she was assaulted is inherently biased. If he intentionally set it up for his own gratification, he assaulted her. I’m not arguing against that. But if he genuinely wasn’t expecting someone to let themselves into his house, (because honestly, why would anyone think that’s okay to do?) then he’s actually the victim here.

And the actual “what happened” part is something for lawyers to argue over in court. If he had a note saying to let herself in, and the front door was standing wide open, it’s a pretty open and shut case against him. Still a monumentally stupid move on the driver’s part, (because seriously, why would you ever enter someone’s home while making a delivery?) but it would obviously be something that he orchestrated. But again, that’s for the lawyers to argue about, because there could be confounding factors. After all, there are plenty of perfectly valid (and perfectly legal) reasons for someone to be naked in the privacy of their own home.

What if there was no note to let yourself in, and he just had the door open because he was airing out the house on a nice day? Maybe he expected the driver to leave his food on the porch. Maybe he didn’t have his phone on him (because he was naked and had no pockets) and therefore didn’t feel the notification that the driver was on their way. Those are just a few quick what-ifs off the top of my head, and any of them could be possible. And what if, after any of those scenarios, the dude reported the driver for walking in on him? We don’t know why she was banned, but from DoorDash’s perspective it could be acting on a report that the driver essentially broke into someone’s home. We don’t have enough info to say either way.

DoorDash should at least allow her to access her earnings. That part is shitty, and saying “but she signed a contract saying they can withhold her earnings” is (at best) an extremely shitty excuse.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -1 points 2 weeks ago

it’s entirely possible that she just strolled into some dude’s house when he wasn’t expecting it. And if that’s the case, he was the one who was assaulted.

That's an idiotic take considering he ordered a service where someone has to meet with you..... Especially considering that all of these services tell you exactly when and where the person is. Meaning he initiated a contact.

point is simply that we can’t know what happened, because none of us were there. So to simply open by stating that she was assaulted is inherently biased.

We're not in adjudicating a court case, we're just interpreting someone's accounts. If we are assuming that they are being honest, then what they described was a sexual assault.

Besides that, I wasn't commenting we there the story was accurate . I was commenting on the misconception the person had that sexual assault was to be physical in nature.

Again.... Why are we falling over ourselves to defend this guy?

But if he genuinely wasn’t expecting someone to let themselves into his house, (because honestly, why would anyone think that’s okay to do?) then he’s actually the victim here.

Again, pretty difficult to argue that case considering that he ordered a service where a person has to come to your house and have a face to face interaction. Do you often get undressed with your front door open?

Still a monumentally stupid move on the driver’s part, (because seriously, why would you ever enter someone’s home while making a delivery?)

Again we are blaming the victim here.

[–] Dearth@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

If the door was open and there was no response when you rang/ called out and you expected someone to be there i think it's pretty normal to want to enter and make sure whomever was at home was ok. Filming your entry would be smart too. The girl might have expected to find someone injured or maybe even a corpse.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Blaming the victim and defending the pervert isn't a good look.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Is she the victim, though? From what I understand, the guy wasn't at the door, but asleep (or pretending to be) in his own home, which should be entirely legal. The "more info" link says the door was ajar and she filmed him. If she pushed open the door, entered his home and filmed him there, she might be the sex offender here.

Of course if he set this up intentionally, that's exhibitionism (not voyeurism, as the article incorrectly calls it), but still, inside his own home. I feel like that should be a safe place where you can dress or undress however you like. Although being visible from the outside might be an issue. I think this issue hinges on whether she had to push open the door or enter his home to see him exposed.

Oof, people digging deeper to justify this creep is making this thread real weird

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, ordering delivery then getting naked seems like normal behavior.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can't they leave the food at your door?

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com -1 points 2 weeks ago

Why'd he leave the door wide open?

Order food > leave door open > get naked inside

Doesn't take a genius to put two amd teo together

[–] SpicyLengthiness@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So when I say it, I get downvoted to hell. But when this guy says it, it makes sense. Got it.

Edit: I literally said the exact same thing.

[–] SpicyLengthiness@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, seems pretty minor tbh. She arrived, and his door was open, he was sleeping and naked. Just drop the food and dip. Why pull out your phone and start filming?

[–] CTDummy@aussie.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

“It’s cold outside… your lights are on, your door is open, and you just ordered DoorDash… And within 15 minutes, you’re asleep on the couch naked? Come on now. That is voyeurism,” she said regarding the incident.

Or maybe, just don’t be a creep that strips (or remains) naked and tries to get a gig worker to see you naked? You’re a woman at work and a strange man, in an area unfamiliar to you, has tried to engineer a situation where you walk into him being naked. Recording was likely a safety instinct as well as expecting people wouldn’t believe her if she decided to report something.

I don’t think people expecting to work without random men getting naked around them is the problem here.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

How about we agree that both of you can be correct?

[–] CTDummy@aussie.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think the larger point here is the article has presented someone as being a potential victim of sexual harassment; in which she faces punishment from her employers. Yet people are questioning her actions and making excuses for the bloke. I think that’s worth pointing out, not really a matter of “being correct” imo.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of intoxication? Passing out naked is not an uncommon occurrence. I'm sure there are other reasons this could have happened without any ill intent whatsoever.

I will grant you that it is a weird and uncomfortable thing to walk in on as a stranger but calling it sexual assault feels like an insult to rape victims.

[–] CTDummy@aussie.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If I get drunk and crash into a sidewalk, that doesn’t change the nature of what happened nor my responsibility in bringing it about. Even if he was drunk and got naked, it changes virtually nothing about the situation. I don’t get to go around waving my little guy at women just because I get pissed prior.

I think the term sexual harassment was used not assault (edit: in the article. Regardless assault can mean different things in different jurisdictions). Not holding people who engage in sexual harassment (or assault) to account decreases the safety of women who could be put in that situation daily. It also enables perpetrators by excusing their behaviour. There could be a million explanations for why he was naked, some might even be plausible but more likely the guy is a creep.

[–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Drunk driving is illegal, as is public nudity. Being drunk and naked in your own home is not. Unless something else happened, he didn't do anything strictly illegal.

[–] CTDummy@aussie.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Something else did happen, he ordered food and had someone coming around to deliver said food and left the door open and exposed himself to her. Also, he potentially did do something illegal, again from the article:

The legal criteria for indecent exposure often rely on the idea of an incident happening in “public space.” But, “exposure can be deemed indecent if visible from public areas, such as a street or neighbor’s yard,” according to legalclarity.org.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Seems likely. Doordash and Uber are fucking trash.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social -1 points 2 weeks ago

As are all corporations.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fuck I fucking hate this fucking timeline

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk -1 points 2 weeks ago

Disgusting.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl -1 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck Doordash! Please stop using those services! They're inherently exploitative.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago

This is why every app that touches money should be peer to peer. DoorDash would be an escrow, but unable to unilaterally seize the funds.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

I already looked into answering your door nude and yes that is legal, indecent exposure. It's not SA though.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

She will lose as she entered someone's home without permission

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space -1 points 2 weeks ago

Disgusting disgusting disgusting disgusting

No one ever use this brand again. They literally have so many competitors with cheaper fees.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is exactly why I refuse to use gig services. They're all the worst kind of exploitation. It's like a bandaid solution but made out of used painters tape.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago

Remove "tape" and you're correct.