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ICE is out of control and beyond repair - This agency needs to be stripped down to the studs. Dems should start preparing now. (www.publicnotice.co)
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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The same party that didn't arrest Trump even when it was an open and shut case of treason?

The same party that kept ICE funded?

The same one that called out Dubya's surveillance program after they voted for it, and then tried to arrest Snowden?

The same party that allows border cages for ICE?

The same party that loudly said "we don't need to defund the police, we need to fund the police!" in a state of the union adresss to bipartisan applause?

I'll hope that the midterms and next nominee change these lack of action polices, but it seems like the suspected frontrunners are going to aim for the status quo of 2020, not pushing for a better 2028.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah which is why I am actually torn. I'm not sure whether voting Democrat is actually beneficial at this point. The fastest way to defeat Republicans may not actually involve the Democratic Party at all. It may simply be something that requires a few election cycles. People don't like to admit something so painful, but that may be the truth.

In retrospect, we would have been a lot better off if Hillary lost 60-40 in 2016 instead of just barely losing. This has allowed the DNC to pretend they can still field viable presidential candidates. In truth, voting for a Democrat right now is as futile as voting for the green party. Neither are going to win.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The democrats won the election before this one... to jump from that to it is impossible for them to win is a massive overreaction.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They won because of covid.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They won because people were stick and tired of Trump fucking things up as usual. Not just his pandemic response, but everything.

But the American electorate have the memories of goldfish, so they herp derped their way to the polling stations to vote for Trump to save them from the inflation that he caused during his first term.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Just going to point out that Trump didn't gain much support between 2020 and 2024, the reason the Dems lost is cause their numbers didn't hold. Acting like he had some type of popularity gain is misleading at best.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone -1 points 1 day ago

And theres no massive upheavel or challenges facing people now?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It doesn't need to exist at all...

Wild that the author doesn't know that, I'm not sure if they're just ignorant or controlled opposition.

It's getting really hard to tell these days who's being intentionally ignorant, or who's just pretending

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Everyone is just pretending to some extent or another. An absolutely sober truth teller would be entirely unpalatable to most voters. There's always going to be some amount of smoothing over of the facts. It's just a matter of deciding what's acceptable. In this case, I'll take anyone who doesn't pretend that ICE or the CBP can be somehow reformed. There also have to be criminal prosecutions.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I consider the US to be suffering a mental illness epidemic... ever since 9/11, really. The fervent nationalism and propaganda displayed back then was insane, and it's only gotten worse.

All of US conservatisms mental-illnesses are self evident, but the "liberals" are also so brainwashed and propagandized that they're still holding out for future elections while the dictatorship is installed before their very eyes, their only hope for leadership is 1% career politicians and billionaires, and it is well beyond the stage for wide scale general strikes, and preparation of armed insurgency and secession.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

ever since 9/11, really. The fervent nationalism and propaganda displayed back then was insane, and it’s only gotten worse.

9/11/02 I got sent home from school because I worse a shirt that said "bad cop, no doughnut"...

Even tho no one could explain to me what it had to do with 9/11, me saying I forgot it was 9/11 didn't help either.

they’re still holding out for future elections

I'm not saying don't have a plan b, just that there's no reason to pre-emptively give up on plan a...

Especially since we finally got a non biased DNC chair. I think you're upset they're not overtly progressive, but that is short sighted. If we try to keep the DNC corrupt, but to our advantage long term nothing gets fixed.

It's like LOTR and deciding Gollum had the best plan. We gotta throw that shit in the volcano or it will corrupt us too. We can't use something as corrupt as the One Ring for good, that's why Gandalf didn't just put it on and 1v1 Sauron, because he'd win and in the process become even worse than Sauron.

For the past 8 months the DNC is being weakened, it's taking all the money Biden/Kamala had hoarded, and distributing back to state parties. Which is good, we don't want the Dem party structured with that much consolidated power. Because we can lose it. We want a bottom-top structured party.

But ignorant people think nothing is being done and still rant and rave against the DNC when we just won a 30+ year war over how it should be structured...

Billionaires just ain't going to let the media companies they own tell the masses the billionaires lost.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

LOL, we are in a straight up fascist state now. the only way you getting rid of these people is with bigger scarier people.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The government collapsing so ICE doesn't get paid will work, too.

[–] ooterness@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except they're still getting paid. They're apparently "essential", but food stamps and air traffic control aren't.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it hasn't collapsed yet.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 21 points 1 day ago

The agency doesn’t necessarily have to be abolished; we do need to enforce immigration laws. But it will have to be completely remade. And it’s not too early to start preparing.

Counterargument: It needs to be abolished. There might be elements of the American state worth salvaging the remains of. ICE is not one of them.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How did we stop the SS?

Oh, right, armed intervention from other countries.

Please help.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

"The SS doesn’t necessarily have to be abolished; we do need to enforce purity laws. But it will have to be completely remade."

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 21 points 1 day ago

~~ICE~~ america is out of control and beyond repair - This ~~agency~~ nation needs to be stripped down to the studs. ~~Dems~~ The world should start preparing now.

That seems better.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't stop at the studs, ABOLISH ICE

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I'm old enough to remember when the term 'homeland security' was too fashy-sounding to be taken seriously. We were fine without ICE, and weirdly enough, creating it hasn't solved anything- if anything, the lies they tell to justify doing it more and harder have gotten more and more absurd.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It needs to be abolished and every person who has ever been employed there tried for their civil rights violations.

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

And tried for treason and only one sentence given.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Liquidate it and every other shithole agency under homeland security, with the sole exception of the Coast Guard who really should be their own thing. If the job still needs doing a new organization can be built up and old elements retained and retrained if need be.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

https://bsky.app/profile/shannonhale.bsky.social/post/3m4eif45k3c2n

I entered SLC airport and heard screams and cries for help. I could see people gathered around, watching. I sped over to discover this woman face down on the floor, four grown men pushing her down, while she cried "HELP ME" and pled for her child.

[–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

Good thing those of us that saw this coming spent a decade getting called naïve and hysterical for saying "abolish ice"... by Democrats.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Counterpoint to all of this:

Something I’ve noticed recently in the news is that ICE makes the headlines, and then when you dig down to the details, the real problem is often CBP or some other department that’s along for the ride. Difficult to tell, I’m sure, when everyone is masked and not wearing clear identification.

Just saying that abolishing ICE wouldn’t necessarily get rid of the problem, and I suspect that there’s still a chunk of ICE you never see because they’re actually doing the work they’re traditionally supposed to be doing.

The entire system needs to be fixed, not just abolishing one department that’s been co-opted as the poster boy for the abuse of the system.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago

you're right, it's systemic and deeply rooted. But we also need to start somewhere, and ICE is a great start to dismantling systemic oppression

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago

It's always capitalism

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

well yeah ice is under border patrol. and that has to have a total house cleaning but they have basically destroyed the ice "brand" where it needs to be eliminated. It could be replaced but again its not something that has existed for very long.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Just a correction, ICE and CBP are sibling organizations in the DHS.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

It's the whole DHS (of which ICE and the CBP are a part). It's a new department with none of the institutional history to resist large scale abuses and created with a fascist friendly mission. The others are in on it, but they don't go so wholeheartedly because there's lots of people who believe in the institution as something that will endure beyond the current administration.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh yeah republicans destroyed the brand. it certainly has to be dissolved and im not even sure if replaced as they are relatively speaking new and we did border security without them before.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, there's no way that "ICE" or "CBP" is ever going to mean "a neutral and professional law enforcement agency" to people. Even if you could purge (and ideally imprison for crimes) all the "bad apples", the stain is still there. The FBI has a long history (with admittedly a lot of its own bad actions), so I can see people deciding their collaboration in the effort was a temporary failing to reform, but ICE is both more central to the abusers and has none of the history.

Which is probably why they've always been the first people Trump calls on. They don't have the institutional history or pride to resist. CBP was called to Portland during BLM to ride around in vans and kidnap people. A protest that had nothing to do with customs or the border. They've been rotten and off mission well before this.

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd like to see every ICE agent have it forcibly tattooed on their face so that for the rest of their lives they will never be able to hide what they are.

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Lives? Should end with only one sentence, and that’s not it.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Why do you think the Confederates funded them like they have?

[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

When the day comes. No Mercy. Honestly. Germany didn't do well enough and that fascist racist scum of human DNA is on their way up.

That shit Nazis never have been gone. They we're Just a silent minority.

Have No Mercy, as they don't have.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Do we have a Project 2029 yet?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 36 minutes ago

Defund them completely. Then fund investigations of any criminality they committed.

[–] cycadophyta@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

They must be given the old school treatment for treason