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[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 269 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 112 points 1 day ago (5 children)

We've reached the point of idiocracy where everything needs to be read aloud.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 39 points 22 hours ago

No, we haven't. Quit comparing everything to idiocracy; it was overly optimistic compared to reality.

Our problem is not well-meaning stupid people. Our problem is malevolent smart people leading hateful stupid people.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And then have Grok summarize and "flavour" it.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

…in an order that would surprise you

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 11 points 1 day ago

They still wouldn't understand.

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 8 points 1 day ago

With gameplay footage of some mobile game in the bottom half

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 19 points 1 day ago

~~read~~ empathize

That's truly what they're unable to do: consider others. They don't know how it feels to be not-them, and they don't care.

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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 133 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a rational question. Unfortunately it won't get the desired result, because the target audience is not going to behave rationally:

  • The media that they consume is following the fascist playbook. They're telling the audience that if things are not better yet, then it's because there are others still left to blame, and the worse things get the harder those others are going to be blamed for it.
  • Even if someone moves past that propaganda, it's been ingrained into them that to accept being incorrect is to admit failure. They've been primed to dig in and double down, lest their peers see them as a failure, or even worse as others.
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 27 points 22 hours ago

So many "My business is failing because of tariffs. Those dirty foreigners!" and then follow up with "Sure, I'd vote for him again! I support what he does."

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 89 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

Yes. They are happier.

They aren’t interested in making life better for anyone. They want it shittier for everyone else rather than actually improve themselves so they don’t have exert any effort or make sacrifices. The suffering they do get from trump’s policies is unexpected or “worth it” to fuck over everyone else.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 33 points 22 hours ago

Exactly, it doesn't matter if Trump's administration makes life worse for MAGA supporters. He could make their lives a living hell for all they care, arguably they're already there. His supporters just want to see people they don't like get hurt. That's it, they want to witness cruelty. Any conservative who didn't jump off MAGA band wagon a long time ago has fully drank the cool-aid.

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[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 65 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I don't like Ariana's music, but I respect her as a person and she's very talented at what she does. Despite people constantly making fun of her.

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 22 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I'll admit, I used to be in the anti-Ariana crowd after the whole donut thing surfaced. (Despite being a dumb teen when it happened who, despite not doing things similar, could understand the social pressure of doing it.) But every interview snippet I've seen with her has shown that she's got a good head on her shoulders and most importantly isn't afraid to tell people they're being a jackass on live television.

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago

I'll believe her and all these other wealthy philanthropists when they talk about tax reform. Everything else stems from that...

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I didn't like her because I thought she was fake because she seems to switch what race she wants to call herself every couple years. But then I realized a lot of people are fake, and it's hardly the worst character trait. The rest of her makes up for that as much as anyone.

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[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 day ago

They just want someone to suffer more than them

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 18 hours ago
[–] Veedems@piefed.social 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Respect to her for being brave enough, as a public figure, and risking an endless torrent of backlash.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

This is not how some Trump voters I know think at all; it's not how they think of Trump. Bring up any of these points and they'd think you're totally paranoid.

I witnessed a group of old guys watching the movie 'One Battle After Another' scratch their heads and have literally, honestly no idea what it was about.

It's because they're in the habit of watching Fox News or other 'old' media. Trump's just some Republican like they've always voted for with a bunch of hysterical finger pointers, and any Democrat is basically Jimmy Carter or Hillary Clinton.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 23 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

That's only a portion of Trump voters though. There are a lot of younger voters with less ingrained brain washing that came recently from new media.

I honestly don't know what you do about the people you are speaking of. I have some in my extended family and there is no convincing them of things after 3 decades of programming. Even foundational knowledge isn't the same.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 21 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

You tell them that Donald Trump is a felon. He committed 34 felonies. He was found guilty by a jury. But the judge decided not to punish him. It's a crime that normally gets prison time and Donald Trump belongs in prison, but the judge was scared. They'll try to deflect and make excuses and every time they do, you just repeat "Donald Trump is a felon"

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah at some point folks get too old to change. You can try to get them off Fox News at least, but it just depends. Sometimes you can't. Sometimes they really can't even learn a new kind of remote/cable or whatever.

Younger folks are deep down the influencer rabbit hole, and I don't know what to do about that (other than pushing Fediverse) since Big Tech has such an iron grip on everything. I mean, the future is definitely cyberpunk.

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[–] maxmm77@lemmy.world 34 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Ariana didn’t write this. That Instagram person Matt did, and Ariana reposted it.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Matt Bernstein, he's also got a podcast called A Bit Fruity, which (imo) has some very good takes.

Nah it was Matt Berenstain

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I keep asking the conservatives in my life this. Thanos snap, all migrants are gone, how has your life improved? The only straight answer I've gotten was a creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits. Their proof relied on an omission from their source about who is going to lose benefits. The cost of enforcement, detention and removal was outside the bounds of the original question.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

The only straight answer I've gotten was a creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits.

And let me guess: that doesn't consider the increase in expenses going towards funding ICE...

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

Thats not even including the tax revenue that's lost since many pay income tax (with no representation or access to benefits) essentially propping the system up, in part, for everyone else. I assume they think they can make up the difference on tariffs (nevermind much of that cost is passed on to ordinary Americans)

When the Ottomans took over Constantinople and the Eastern Roman Empire fell, they began charging steep taxes on goods travelling from East to West. The Portugese, not content with paying the tax, launched maritime expeditions to reach India and managed to find a direct route from Europe to India going around Africa's Cape of Good Hope. This was the start of the Age of Discovery. Spain commissioned Columbus with the same goal and.. well we all know where he ended up.

The point being when you charge an egregious tax or tariff people find a way around you rather than going through you. America is likely assuming its in such advantaged position globally that it can get away with it, but history shows that no nation / kingdom can survive alone and when you try to fleece people, they will find a way to exclude you.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

She licked that donut that one time and I haven't been able to let that go.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 33 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

You lick one donut, you get ridiculed for life.

You rape a bunch of women and children while committing financial crimes, you become President of the United States

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

I think it was some donut place in California.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 12 points 1 day ago

What's funny is that if you just search "licks donut" all of the results are of Ariana Grande, poor woman 😂

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I want a six pack of Ariana Grande licked donuts and after each one I’d be like thank u, next.

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 14 points 1 day ago

Of course the answer is yes. They want the suffering. Everything else was just an excuse. They voted for the suffering of others, got the suffering of others, and are happy. Even if the price of groceries, gas, and everything else is higher, they don't mind because they got what they really wanted.

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes.

Whether they want to admit it or not, that was the whole point - spite and making the people that make you feel insecure suffer out of spite.

It's a form of social regression that people in the Balkans like to sum up by saying "It's not important that I feel good. What's important is that the other person suffers."

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Too confrontarional, the people who should read it will stop after the first sentence.

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[–] 33550336@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Grand Ariana Grande <3

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