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Justice Clarence Thomas is finding increasingly creative ways to justify reshaping long-standing laws.

During a rare appearance at Catholic University’s Columbus School of Law in Washington, D.C., on Thursday, the George H.W. Bush–appointed justice said the Supreme Court should take a more critical approach to settled precedent, arguing that decided cases are not “the gospel,” ABC News reported.

Thomas, 77, compared his Supreme Court colleagues to passengers on a train, and said: ”We never go to the front to see who’s driving the train, where is it going. And you could go up there in the engine room, find it’s an orangutan driving the train, but you want to follow that just because it’s a train.”

He reasoned that some precedents were simply “something somebody dreamt up and others went along with.”

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 144 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

We never go to the front to see who’s driving the train, where is it going. And you could go up there in the engine room, find it’s an orangutan driving the train, but you want to follow that just because it’s a train.

What?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 98 points 18 hours ago

It's better than saying, "I've been bribed a shit ton and no one is caring, so I'll say and do whatever I want."

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 35 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

An orangutan is driving the train and apparently you're cool with that.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 14 points 16 hours ago

There's pressure valves going off all over the place, and he's fixing it by shovelling in more coal.

[–] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 26 points 18 hours ago

It's the old orangutan-train-engineer argument, which gained legal precedent in Plessy v. Ferguson, brought by passage of an 1887 Florida law, whereby states began to require that railroads furnish separate accommodations for each race.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 20 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's crazy because, if the train is functioning perfectly fine, and has been for centuries, why does it matter who's driving it?

He wants to be the driver. That's why. He calls into question the way things have worked because he wants to take over.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 11 points 15 hours ago

And besides, the train driver does not have any control over the route the train will take.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 78 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

"Left wing activist judges! Activist judges! Activist judges! The left! The left wing activist judges!"

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... fucking projection ass hypocrites. Always.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 21 points 15 hours ago

Legislating from the bench!!!

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[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 74 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

arguing that decided cases are not “the gospel,”

This is correct, but not in the sense that he provides. Society changes, what was okay before may not be okay now. Weighing precedent and modern society is a careful process. Tossing off precedent should have justification for why it's being shrug and there needs to a preponderance that this is indeed the shift of society.

Walking in and saying, "well we should just outright critical" is absolutely not the way to do it. Overturning previous case law should happen, but that shouldn't be the fucking default. And when you do overturn previous case law, you really need to bring a fuck ton of support, not, "meh we changed our mind." Being a contrarian for sake of rocking the boat isn't how our highest court should operate.

[–] chisel@piefed.social 8 points 14 hours ago

Yes, but on the other hand: he got his and fuck yours.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 57 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

"One of the good ones."

If everything falls to pure fascism, I hope I at least get to see the leopards eat Clarence's face.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 13 points 17 hours ago

I will hope, but it seems a little unlikely. Somehow, the most craven ones seem to escape justice most of the time. It's the true believers who rush out to the front, people like Stephen Miller or Alina Habba, who tend to start to catch some strays as the shit hits the fan. The dude who's sitting in the back quietly doing 100 times more damage seems to eventually get away on a boat to the Seychelles or something. He might get impeached in 5 years, or he might live out his days secure in the knowledge that he can drive his fucking RV around and do whatever he wants.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 49 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

He reasoned that some precedents were simply “something somebody dreamt up and others went along with.”

Is he admitting this is how he writes his opinions?

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 20 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's also meaningless, in the sense that it describes the entirety of society.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Going to flight school before piloting a 737 full of passengers is just a social construct, brah.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for illustrating the definition of thought terminating cliche. That's like, my entire point.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, I was making a joke about it as if we were having a conversation or posting on a message board.

Like you mentioned, it was to further illustrate your point, and to bring some levity to the situation. My apologies.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Oof. This has turned into a pretty good example of why I think it's stupid when people basically get offended when people don't "get the joke" in regards to written sarcasm. But I clearly misinterpreted your intention, and made no attempt to get clarification - so my bad! Sorry about that.

[–] chisel@piefed.social 4 points 14 hours ago

Petition to make every fediverse comment require narration so that sarcasm can be easily detected.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 29 points 19 hours ago

Sure. Why should the third car on the train follow the cars ahead? Break free from the track, accept the bribe, jump the rails and chart your own course.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 14 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

*His head needs to be removed.

Brought to you by the guillotine gang.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I’m a fan of burning at the stake, but I won’t turn down beheading.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 2 points 14 hours ago

I suppose we could warm them up on the stake and then finish it on the guillotine

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 52 minutes ago

#GuillotineParty

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago

Even the actual gospel isn't gospel to these demons.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 13 points 16 hours ago
[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

Lmao orangutan is a particularly apt metaphor

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

These people are the real “Satanists”. They believe in a will to power and nothing else.

[–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Hey hey, don't lump the satanists in with these pieces of shit, they are actually generally pretty cool in my experience.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago

That’s why I used scare quotes, and not that “Satan worship” is even “real”, historically speaking, in so much as it represents the exaltation of material reality and the nihilistic pursuit of power for personal worldly gain, these “Christians” exemplify it far more than the self-described “Satanists”.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

isclarencethomasdeadyet

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

I wonder how much these public statements cost whoever paid him to make them.

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

Is it a new motorhome?

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Supreme court justices are not actually that great at reasoning, especially the conservatives. Everyone should listen to 5-4, they do a great job revealing just how stupid the supreme court can be.

[–] xyzzy@lemmy.today 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, it's not stupid, it's intentional obtuseness in service to an ideology.

There is definitely some of that, probably even mostly that, but you'll never convince me Sam Alito is even a middling intellect

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Corrupt! Fuck this dude. He single handedly has been a main factor of why the US has gone to shit.

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Not just him don't forget Roberts.

Roberts, between his hatred of fair elections and manipulation of the gullible press that echoed his "balls and strikes" myth making, might be the person most detrimental to US democracy

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 7 points 18 hours ago

BUT this DOESNT APply to Their Rulings! THEIR rulings ARE Gospel!

[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 19 hours ago

"Because I was paid to"

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 hours ago

Why would we care what this money-hole thinks. Especially when this money-hole accepts bribes.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

That sounds like the Living Constitution with extra steps.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I don't care what his bullshit reasons are

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[–] tux@lemmy.world 3 points 41 minutes ago

Ironically I don’t disagree with him but for completely different reasons. It’s pretty obvious he wants to use this as an excuse to do whatever he’s paid to do by the biggest bribe.

But Jefferson pushed for vast changes and “revolution” (not the violent type which honestly feels pretty naive) every generation. Because why should the rules and ideals and commitment of the dead hold back the present and future.

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