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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 227 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Don't buy Amazon products. Fairly simple concept.

[–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 61 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The problem is some authors signing exclusivity deal with Amazon, which means breaking the DRM and converting it is the only way to read it on a different e-reader.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 104 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Too bad. Then theres no sale unless I can crack the DRM ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This. All of these problems are solved by people not giving money. But often it seems difficult for people to actually stand behind principle when the time comes -- convenience is a helluva drug.

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[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The problem is some authors signing exclusivity deal with Amazon

Well then those authors can go straight to corpo-sellout hell and die a painful death, I'd rather never read a book again than buy from amazon.

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[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yep, I had a Kindle library of a few dozen books, when they started their shenanigans locking down the desktop client earlier this year I downloaded all of them, de-drmed and converted to epub with Calibre. Hosting them on Calibre-web and accessing with KOreader on a Kobo. I continue to buy books on Kobo and Google Books, which let me download copies (albeit with DRM).

Makes me wonder after all these years why Amazon is locking down ability to move books around. I wonder if they're starting to feel some real competition and feel threatened! The market of cheap e-ink Android ereaders seems to be growing more and more

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[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 158 points 4 days ago (13 children)
[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It is remarkable how many books available for free on Gutenberg are sold in the same format on Amazon (it'd be one thing if they were special editions, new translations etc, but they're the same!)

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 19 points 4 days ago

People out to make a quick buck are banking on suckers not knowing about Project Gutenberg, or failing to check it, or not wanting to do a couple of extra steps to get something onto their Kindle.

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Check out standard ebooks. They take public domain books and "clean" them up with really good typesetting, spelling fixes, and other things. All free too

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 153 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm shocked at this unforeseeable turn of events.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 53 points 4 days ago

The current timeline is truly a constant stream of unanticipated surprises

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 116 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I will never, ever purchase a book I can't remove the DRM from.

And there are people out there who are absolutely fanatical about book preservation. They will photograph every single page and run it through OCR and recreate an ebook just so it gets preserved. DRM is absolutely pointless and stupid.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Exactly this. As an idiot I purchase DRM music when Microsoft had its own music store. Some years later they closed it and there was no way to validate music keys.

But thankfully I still have an old Roxio9( I think) CD, and back then Roxio didn't know what DRM was and would take the mp3 and burn it to DVD anyway, bypassing the key check, then I would just rip it back off the DVD...DRM is useless

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

For real.

When I still had Netflix and Disney+ I'd want to watch a show on my PC, but I'd just get black screen with only audio, because something about my setup the DRM didn't like. (Possibly that I have USB displaylink monitors.)

So I had to watch on another device.

DRM isn't stopping content being ripped. It's just making life a pain for paying customers.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Offering a clean, ad free, usable storefront to purchase media would do more to prevent piracy than anything.

But corpos dont like that.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 66 points 4 days ago (18 children)

Kobo is cool Now just fyi. Works well with calibre.

The biggest issue I have is ebooks are almost all excusevly sold on amazon. I would give authors my money and not sail the high seas if it ment no DRM.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'm sorry but the idea that most ebooks are exclusive to Amazon is absurd. While they are trying and would love that to be true, it's just not.

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[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 62 points 4 days ago

Why not just remove the Amazon from the ebooks?

[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago (12 children)

I've been slowly filling my wife's Kindle Oasis full of pirated books over the last 2 years. I got it initially because it had internet service everywhere and I could just email her the epubs to simplify loading things.

A couple of weeks ago, even though airplane mode is always on for this thing, (so no wifi either) -- this thing wipes something like 400 books from her library overnight. Granted, they were all pirated, but they're doing some nasty stuff there. It looks like there's renewed effort to combat this.

Sooooo, I sold it and bought her a Kobo Libra Color. Now, I just have her open up https://send.djazz.se/ -- give me the 4 digit code, and I can upload books to her that way. Goodbye Amazon. Don't let the door hit you.

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[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 52 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There’s no such thing as “impossible” when it comes to piracy.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago (7 children)

There's no impossible because if you can see it, it can be captured and digitized, but there is a level of complication that can make it unreasonable. They could make it unreasonable to crack the drm outright and require you to screenshot/OCR it. Then they can limit the OS to make to difficult to automate capture.

Bottom line, they're just kicking payers off their network when it's easier to pirate it than to buy it through their service.

[–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Something something, piracy is a service problem. That’s why Spotify et al. still thrive, but more and more the Netflixes of the world are being replaced with yaaar

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[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Just wait until you can only stream books, not download them, with random words replaced with synonyms using an algorithm that lets them track down who the originator of any scanned copies is.

That might sound ridiculous, but streaming-only to prevent perfect copies and hiding purchaser identifiers in the data are both DRM techniques that have been explored in other media already. There's no limit to how anti-consumer publishers can get when they think there's slightly more money to be had.

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amazon: finally we defeated piracy

one kid with a computer: snickers

[–] Localhorst86@feddit.org 49 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Back when Randall Munroe released his "What if" in eBook format, it essentially was only available with DRM.
When I emailed him about it, asking for a place to buy it without DRM, he responded with DRM unfortunately being mandated by his publisher, and finished his email with a link to this comic of his:
https://xkcd.com/488/

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 48 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This entire thing has been made needlessly complicated. Easy fix though.

  1. Get whatever ebook you want.
  2. Borrow some code from GitHub and teach a raspberry pi with a camera and a few servos to snap pictures of pages, turn the pages, snap again into a PDF.
  3. A script then parses all the images and OCRs them for the final PDF.
  4. You now own a backup of your DRM book, which you own forever. Pretty sure this is actually legal under DMCA since you are taking a backup of something you allegedly own. The encryption circumvention is irrelevant.
  5. now, break the law and throw the PDF on the internet to everyone. Go little bot! Go go go!
[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (11 children)

The encryption circumvention is irrelevant.

Oh you sweet summer child, judges will bend over backwards to slap people with multi-decade-to-life charges for 'hacking,' even if the 'hacking' is just the rightsholder accidentally presenting data to you.

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[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 38 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Tangent, but I have had an incredibly poor experience getting a library eBook onto a kindle. Libby gives out time restricted epubs - fair enough, I am actually borrowing the book, that makes sense. Kindle, despite being the "goto" ereader, and epubs being a standard format, cannot read them.

So, despite wanting to legitimately borrow and read the book, instead I am borrowing and DeDRM'ing it (which is its own convoluted process).

Why is Amazon pushing so hard for piracy? Its one thing to make their store easier to use, but breaking all other valid use cases just leaves the one remaining option...

[–] goldenbug@fedia.io 23 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I have a kobo ereader, it connects to my local library through the overdrive system and I am soooo happy.

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[–] berty@feddit.org 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That's what they want. If you don't agree don't get a kindle.

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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't know why people buy an stuff like this and get surprised when this happens.

Plenty of other electronics that you have full control over.

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[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I have five published books, all without drm. Amazon better not put that shit ON my books. It's not there for a reason; I want people to share.

[–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

The real question is how can I find out what those 5 book are without you doxing yourself.

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[–] ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago
[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 26 points 3 days ago

I would recommend people buy their books off ZLibrary instead, where they come with no DRM.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Amazon can go suck a fuck!

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[–] nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I love Amazon.

Their website makes it so easy to look up books for Anna's Archive.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 days ago (5 children)
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[–] BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why are people "buying" DRM infested books? They don't own anything. "Their" books can be taken away at the whim of the seller. Their rights can change with a change to the EULA. There are other legal ways to use e-readers (not Kindles) that let you keep and back up what you buy.

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[–] kaotic@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I mean, this is how you get me to stop buying Kindle books.

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[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Ok look an article from 1997 which predicted this very thing

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Anna's Archive

[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 days ago (12 children)

There are so many alternative ereaders that are better than the kindle, that I don't get why people buy it.

I once borrowed one from a friend and it didn't even let me organize media in directories from a pc. The directory structure got all messed up and it was a pain to follow my study sequence. Any cheap Chinese ereader would allow that.

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[–] Mellibird@lemmy.myserv.one 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Once they started mentioning stuff like this I sold my Kindle and got a moann. Its a little odd to use at times, but I love the size and the fact that I can just throw whatever book on there that I want. I use Anna's archive for whatever book I'm looking for or go through my friend's calibre library and I have over 200 books on my reader. I can also use libby with no issues. Its been fantastic breaking away from being stuck in the kindleverse.

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[–] Corelli_III@midwest.social 18 points 3 days ago
[–] grahamja@reddthat.com 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I bought a digital movie from Amazon prime in 2015. It fell off and they didnt give me a refund. The music I got from a burnt CD in 2004 is still on the C: drive of my current PC. I don't think it pays to do the right thing in the long run.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Remember to pay your local pirate.

[–] ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe 16 points 3 days ago

again displaying, that DRM only hurts legitimate users. a pirate has never had the problem of backing up, moving or sharing his library...

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