Trans rights are human rights. The fascists can get fukt
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The Bureau defines “Nihilistic Violent Extremism” as “criminal conduct… in furtherance of political, social, or religious goals that derive primarily from a hatred of society at large and a desire to bring about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos.”
What the actual fuck? This is pure bigoted Nazi shit.
ikr? Trans people want to be part of society, not destroy it.
To these people any society with trans people in it is a destroyed society since their society is trans exclusionary.
Trans are just the the first of an ever-expanding group of others to be targeted, including pretty much everybody in leadership in the party right now. I think it is pretty safe to assume that dear leader, whomever it is, we'll become as paranoid as Joseph Stalin and anybody in leadership now will be suspected and purged if they get what they think they want here.
I wonder if they ran that language through AI before putting it in writing?
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The provided definition of "Nihilistic Violent Extremism" is indeed written in a way that could be interpreted broadly and applied subjectively. This is a characteristic that has been used historically for political and social control.
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Vagueness of Key Terms: The phrase "hatred of society at large" is an abstract concept, not a concrete, verifiable action. It's an internal state, a motive, that could be attributed to a person or group by an outside observer. This vagueness, similar to the Nazi's use of "enemies of the state" or "asocial," allows for a wide range of individuals to be targeted, including those with different political views or lifestyles, not just those committing specific, violent acts.
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Risk of Arbitrary Application: When legal or official definitions lack specific, objective criteria, they open the door for arbitrary and discriminatory application. The Nazis exploited this by using vague laws like Paragraph 175 to persecute homosexuals. The law wasn't designed for this, but its vague wording allowed for expanded interpretation to fit the regime's agenda. Similarly, a definition based on an internal "hatred" could be used to target and punish dissenters or political opponents by labeling their criticism of society as "hatred."
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Focus on a Perceived State, Not a Crime: The definition frames the group by a state of being—"hatred"—which is then linked to a desire for "collapse." This is a similar pattern to Nazi propaganda, which didn't just target what Jews or communists did, but what they were. They were defined as a parasitic race whose very existence was a threat, a view that was independent of any specific criminal act. The provided edict, by focusing on a group's emotional state and desired outcome, creates a label that can precede and justify action against them.
This type of broad, subjective language in legal and official definitions is a common feature of authoritarian or repressive systems. It allows the ruling power to define its enemies based on fluid criteria and to legally justify their persecution.
The Nazis exploited this by using vague laws like Paragraph 175 to persecute homosexuals. The law wasn’t designed for this, but its vague wording allowed for expanded interpretation to fit the regime’s agenda.
This is incorrect. Paragraph 175 was always designed to prosecute gay sex, and was enforced even during the Weimar Republic. What the Nazis did was expand it - you didn’t have to have sex with a man, just do something that might lead to sex with a man. Essentially, gay men could have gotten away with holding hands or even kissing in earlier eras, sex needed to be proven. But the Nazis made it essentially any gay behavior.
Paragraph 175 continued to be enforced after the Nazis were kicked out - it stayed on the books in West Germany essentially unchanged until 1969. After ‘69 it was changed to only apply to sex with men under 21 or prostitution.
Gay men who were liberated from the camps who had charges under Paragraph 175 were often sent back to finish their sentences. The handbook for the Allies mandated this.
Snowflake shit
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Juden einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte
-Martin Niemöller
You wanna know what creates extremists? Bullshit like this. It's self-fulfilling prophecy.
That's what they want.
Agreed. I don't see many other ways out anyways.
well, they’re gonna get it. unorganized violence is a psychological response to being tortured and lined up for genocide. some of us thrash in our cage when we have no control, no other options left. oh well, too bad. we don’t want violence? don’t make it inevitable.
we don’t want violence? don’t make it inevitable.
The fascists do want violence, so they try to make it inevitable.
Israel didn't come up with it themselves.
What. The. Fuck.
They've been telegraphing this punch since Trump's first term. Disgusting, but hardly surprising.
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
This is so fucking unbelievably fucked.
We should be fucking rioting and burning shit down.
Trans people do not have the privilege to do those things right now. It will only further the hateful rhetoric. It is up to the supposed "allies" to step up.
The group defines “TIVE” as “the belief that violence is justified against people who oppose [the trans community],” as well as the belief that opposing trans rights “itself constitutes a form of violence towards people who identify as [trans or gender nonconforming]... or poses an imminent threat to such persons’ emotional, psychological, or physical safety, including through self-harm or suicide.”
What an insane redefinition of “self defense.” Violence isn’t justified…unless you are being targeted, harmed, or killed, which many trans or NB people are. It’s absurd to preemptively label self defense as “violence.” It’s cart-before-horse, intentional PR spin to dehumanize a subset of human people. One species, all human.
The administration will need scapegoats when its policies fail. They’ve laid this ground work for years now. They want justification for violence through violence themselves in this mental gymnastics.
It’s the Heritage Foundation, which might as well be called “Propaganda Hut.” Let me guess: more divisive, American-dividing ideas? Yes, Heritage, let’s keep pushing tribal behavior to encourage class war while the rich destroy the planet and their fellow humans.
as well as the belief that opposing trans rights “itself constitutes a form of violence towards people who identify as [trans or gender nonconforming]... or poses an imminent threat to such persons’ emotional, psychological, or physical safety
Just imagine for a moment that one were to replace "trans" with literally any other grouping of humanity and think how insane it would sound.
"I'm not a bigot, I'm just opposed to black rights!"
"I'm not an anti-semite, I'm just opposed to Jewish rights!"
"I'm not committing a genocide, I'm just opposed to human rights!"
Christ, the veneer of legitimacy is molecule-thin at this point.
Nazis went after trans people, burned trans related books.
Nazis are going after trans people, burning trans related books.
Because every trans person I’ve ever met isn’t just trying to make it through the day like the rest of us and are causing all kinds of violence and social unrest.
These chucklefucks sure like their boogeymen to rile people up.
Maybe they should look into these gravy seals/meal team 6 folks with their tacticool gear larping as military badasses if they wanna find actual problem groups.
But I couldn’t vote for Harris because she didn’t spend enough time talking about her policies.
Jesus fucking Christ! If someone should be regarded at terrorists, it's the current administration. Stay safe, my friends.
The Heritage Foundation is once again pushing a hateful act designed to hurt a large number of innocent people. It's basically their MO.
A little off subject but PBS just allowed some Heritage Foundation hack to come on and lie, right after they allowed some Israel partisan to come on and lie to justify their final solution, right after one of their own correspondence endorsed Israel's lie about Hamas operating out of hospitals. PBS was never that bad before.
I wonder what happened to PBS all of a sudden that caused them to give up?
As a self identifying long-time staunch nihilist...
... What?
They are copying their critics that have taken to accusing the polit and biz owner class and them specifically of believing in nothing. Morality means nothing, only self interest. Entire generations of "leaders," that have no morals, no line they would not cross for self interest.
So naturally they accuse others of it.
This is just so obvious, isn't it?
The only people who support this or think it's normal, are people at the bottom of the bell curve. The extremely unintelligent, uneducated, deeply indoctrinated.
You've got to be borderline mentally handicapped to not see this as nonsense.
Let's not do that. This is a question of moral character, not disability.
I’m a terrorist. I’m a leftist, anti-fascist, and I think trans people should have civil rights and be undisturbed.
Actually that might make me a double terrorist.
I used to joke that my views could be deemed terroristic, didn't expect to see it be a real thing, thank fuck I have zero interest in stepping foot in America.
Weird, all I've ever heard about is how high the suicide rate is among trans people, nothing about murder rate.
Also weird to consider "trans rights are human rights" to be nihilistic (Political belief or action that advocates or commits violence or terrorism without discernible constructive goals)
Edit: I meant as in trans people murdering other people. Trans people are overwhelmingly victims of violence than perpetrators
He's nearly finished colouring in his how to be a fascist dictator book.
He would have done so earlier if they could stop him eating the crayons.
How do you designate an entire demographic as terrorists? This is the lowest form of stupidity.
Trans folks should consider getting the fuck out of this shithole country before it's too late
Trans, people with disabilities, minorities, and homeless people are the first ones that will be executed. Then they'll move on to other groups.
The Trump administration is preparing to designate transgender people as “violent extremists” in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s murder, two national security officials tell me.
So not from a report, but from "sources"...
I tell ya, I feel really bad for trans people. They are either being scared of actual nutjobs, or grifters are making shit up for worthless internet points, that just as scary. Everywhere you look, people are using trans people as some chip to play in the on going culture wars. Maybe its time to move on and leave Trans people out of it, and stop using them for point scoring and uparrow farming...
any trans people in the US that haven't already applied for asylum elsewhere should be doing so now. Hopefully it's not too late
Unfortunately, they are being denied asylum on account of not being murdered in the streets en masse.
They aren't? Aren't trans women of color the #1 most murdered demographic?
Ohhh I see, you mean no more than usual
All trans people in some sort of coordinated trans army?? FFS. Please. I’m not saying the fascist united snakes won’t persecute trans people (they are and will) but this is some epic bullshit. Level ten on the Richter scale bullshit.
First time I ever see violent and trans in the same sentene. Never heard of a single violent trans person. If this is true, this FBI is flushing its own credibility. My goto person on the topic of LGBQT is RuPaul so I'll need his comments.
Lol so many words. Drugs we're involved in the naming.
SOURCE: I do some drugs.