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[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 292 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

In a written decision, Judge Gregory Carro said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not an ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology.

“While the defendant was clearly expressing an animus toward UHC, and the health care industry generally, it does not follow that his goal was to ‘intimidate and coerce a civilian population,’ and indeed, there was no evidence presented of such a goal,” Carro wrote.

Hope the rest of the trial goes with as much sense as this

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 150 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's huge. That was a big charge and the prosecutors really wanted it.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 72 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Hell yes. Now the guy just has to keep them from proving he did it. Honestly feels doable

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 62 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I for one was marathoning Mario Party with him that morning. All the best people are saying it!

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 21 points 12 hours ago

That's a great idea. Mario Kart drive me to freedom

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 15 points 6 hours ago

I mean it's super super tenuous that he did it in the first place. Again they ethier got him through illegal means or just framed a guy and both feel equally likely in this case with how hard the prosecution keeps dropping the ball.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 41 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I understand why they tried to throw those charges in, but I don’t like the inconsistency of doing so.

I agree this is a sensible outcome.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Because the Justice department is being run by headlines and idiots.

[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 13 hours ago

Amen - thank you, yes!

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Is it normal for judges to make comments that are worded like the defendant is guilty?

[–] RiceBowl@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Right? I thought that was odd, too.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

They should have said something like, "The prosecution hasn't established a motive for the crime to justify a terrorism charge," or something similar.

But I'm not a lawyer, so it's possible (maybe probable) that it's fine to reference the defendant's motives in reference to the prosecution's claims.

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

The only people without such animus either work for the industry or are shareholders.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 130 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I remain unconvinced they even got the right fucking guy

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 70 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If they did, I suspect they caught him via illegal methods. The story doesn’t add up.

Amongst many other oddities and inconsistencies, the evidence chain of custody was absolutely fucked six ways from Sunday

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 20 points 10 hours ago

They didn't get the right guy. Luigi looks nothing like the images of the shooter.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 16 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Which means the actual killer effectively got away with it. Good. I hope he lives a long and quiet life.

[–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 hours ago

Not me, I hope we see him again soon. There's still a few thousand billionaires more than necessary.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 81 points 12 hours ago

Anyone looking at the terrorism charge knew it was bullshit, but check this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/luigi-mangione-terrorism-charges-dropped

"“Counts 1 and 2, charging defendant with Murder in the First Degree (in furtherance of an act of terrorism) and Murder in the Second Degree as a Crime of Terrorism, are dismissed as legally insufficient,” Carro wrote. “The People presented legally sufficient evidence of all other counts, including Murder in the Second Degree (intentional).”"

They didn't just toss the terrorism addendum, they tossed two of the murder charges with the terrorism rider.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 63 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Free Luigi! Find the real killer!

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 31 points 8 hours ago

The real killer is dead, he was the CEO

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Luigi and I were hanging out in California that morning. He's clearly being rail roaded.

[–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Mouth, ass, pay. I'm missing words.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 59 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I believe Luigi is the killer, and he should be regarded as a hero. The slaying of Brian Thompson was a honorable and heroic act.

Killing a man who did the evil and destructive work of Healthcare CEO has literally saved the lives of hundreds or maybe even thoudands of United Health customers who would have had their lifesaving care denied.

If you are lucky enough to be chosen for jury duty, please study Jury Nullification

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 28 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And make absolutely sure that they don't suspect you will be doing jury nullification. They won't allow you to be on the jury if you do.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

'I believe in the letter of the law laid out by our true and just government. Also every social media post I ever made was just a shit post and I have matured as an adult last week.'

Think that will work?

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

Nice try, but unlikely

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It takes twelve to hang the accused but only one to hang the jury

[–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Jury annulment is the better option here. Best option.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Acquittal is what happens when all twelve jurors vote "not guilty".

Conviction is what happens when all twelve jurors vote "guilty".

A hung jury is what happens when at least one of the jurors votes differently from the others.

Jury nullification is when the jury votes to acquit despite the obviousness of the guilt of the accused. It is not the best option. The best option is for the jury to acquit based on the fact that the evidence is honestly shit.

Though jurors are never required to disclose the reasons for their vote. Any one juror who votes "not guilty" and refuses to budge from that position despite the others voting "guilty" will cause a hung jury and prevent the accused from being convicted.

Hence, it takes twelve (unanimous agreement of all jurors) to hang the accused, and it also takes twelve to acquit them, but any single juror can choose to hang the jury by obstinately voting against the others.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 39 points 12 hours ago

In a written decision released as Mangione appeared in court, Judge Gregory Carro said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not an ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology.

Obviously...

They say killing anyone wealthy is terrorism, because they don't think fonus as real people.

They only care about wealthy bigots

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 34 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The cops have totally botched this case. No piece of evidence is not tainted, and that perp walk is enough to bias any jury. He should be let free (for a myriad of reasons).

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

Lmao that helicopter perp walk with the giant sniper/assault rifle guys. Transparently obvious what they were trying to accomplish

[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 25 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Luigi did what he did in defense of all of us.

He should be freed.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 19 points 6 hours ago

"Allegedly did" at that.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Excellent news. Now the prosecution needs to find and convince 12 people that he did it. I'm not sure they have the evidence to do that.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

I don't doubt they have evidence that irrefutably proves he's the shooter...

The issue has always been legally admissible evidence.

I think they broke a shit ton of laws to find out who did it, then failed to retroactively create a "partel investigation" that would have legally uncovered the evidence so it could be used anyway.

Like, that's pretty normal for cops. They break laws to solve a crime, make up some bullshit about how they'd have found it anyways, then overcharge to get a plea deal and avoid trial.

Luigi ain't taking a plea deal, and while they may very well know it's him, they can't prove it in court

[–] Lawyerator@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I think the term is "parallel investigation" or parallel construction investigation." I don't doubt that you are correct though.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, that's just a typo.

The whole thing is bullshit tho. When you already know where you'll find evidence, it's easy to justify after the fact how you could have legally been able to search that one place.

But they can't narrow it down to that spot except by violating civil rights.

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[–] floop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Face that gorgeous belongs in a museum, not death row

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Now move on to hero charges

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

He looks innocent to me.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 points 12 hours ago

Woo, I’m hot.

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