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[–] sbbq@lemmy.zip 31 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Outer Worlds over Disco Elysium? Clown list.

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 9 points 21 hours ago

That was really an obvious sign that this list is trash, i agree

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 6 points 19 hours ago

Literally sackable offense.

[–] kugmo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 21 hours ago

Safe sanitized normie-core list that doesn't deserve an article.

[–] Overspark@piefed.social 2 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Some weird choices in this one, like completely ignoring Cyberpunk 2077 exists.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 14 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

You mean the game that forced companies to take it from their stores? Weird choice for GOTY…

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 22 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It didn't become goty until like three years after it released, lmao.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 9 points 22 hours ago

And it’s not gonna beat ER, even if it was in its current state at release.

[–] Overspark@piefed.social 3 points 13 hours ago

On the Playstation store, yes. On PC it was mostly fine, if a bit buggy because it was released too early (as so many games are unfortunately). But I and many other people enjoyed it just fine at launch, and it has gotten better and better every year since then. It's still getting new content and patches 5 years after launch, and the modding scene is absolutely crazy right now, so many good stuff being released.

[–] burt@programming.dev 5 points 23 hours ago

Cyberpunk 2077 is one of my favorite games, but even retcon-ing it in its current state with phantom liberty, it is not as good as any of the games on this list post its initial release.

[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Not an RPG. You make literally two real choices the whole game: who you are (at the start), and what you're going to do (at the end). The developers themselves have said that the game is not a RPG, and more like a shooter with some RPG elements when they were criticized about this.

[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Although I have to agree that the list doesn't seem to care about this, as they've put Dark Souls, Monster Hunter and Elden Ring as RPGs...

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

All of those have character progression (skills/points) that’s a main attribute of RPGs.

[–] sbbq@lemmy.zip 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Before or after the overhaul? Because at launch it was barely enough to call it a progression system.

[–] Overspark@piefed.social 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It had all of those things at launch.

[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Barely. I remember well levelling up to get the incredible boost of +2.5% at handling handguns. That skill tree was so shitty that I'd prefer if the game didn't have it.

[–] Overspark@piefed.social 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

This is so wrong I don't even know where to start. There is an very convoluted web of how choices in literally dozens of quests affect other quests and other things in the world. There are hours and hours and hours of videos on Youtube going through all the choices you have and all the possible outcomes they give you and all the different endings the game has if you make the right choices.

And since when are we gatekeeping the term RPG? Even the Wikipedia article opens with "Cyberpunk 2077 is a 2020 action role-playing game"... It's also based on a pen-and-paper RPG, and it's original creator, Mike Pondsmith, is involved in the creation of this game and it's upcoming sequel. I'm not sure how much more RPG you can be than that?

[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

GTA V has quests with decisions and lets you make a few ending altering decisions, while also having character progression and item progression, plus let's you roleplay being a criminal, would it be called an RPG by most people standards? Hardly.

Although I'd say CP2077 is not an RPG by the usual standard, I agree that the game borders the concept. Actually, I'd say most games that have a player character do border the real foundational concept of a "Role-playing Game", however, that's not how most people classify RPGs as videogames. For a videogame to be an RPG we understand that they need to pursue those elements wholeheartedly. And that's definitely not the case for CP2077 (also not for Monster Hunter, nor Souls).

Also, the source material being a TRPG means absolutely nothing. Vampire the Masquerade Bloodhunt's source material is the TRPG Vampire The Masquerade. Is the game an RPG then? No, it's a Battle royale. Pathfinder Gallowspire Survivors is a mob-hell/vampire survivor-like game, not an RPG either. Actually, this is even worse for CP2077 because the game takes almost nothing but the setting from the Cyberpunk TRPG.