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Wildland fire veterans are seething at a claim made by federal officials that two crews raided by immigration agents at the scene of a wildfire in Washington state were “NOT firefighters.”

Many political figures and media outlets have repeated the claim, even though public documents show the crews have firefighting classifications and were assigned to key frontline roles battling the blaze.

“Everybody in the profession sees through it, but the public doesn’t and that’s concerning,” said Riva Duncan, a former wildland fire chief who served more than 30 years with the U.S. Forest Service. “It’s a lie. Everybody I’ve talked to is very upset about it. It does not just those two crews a disservice, but it does all firefighters a disservice.”

Duncan also serves as vice president of Grassroots Wildland Firefighters, a nonprofit that advocates on behalf of wildfire professionals.

Last week, federal immigration officials staged a raid at the site of the Bear Gulch fire in Washington, the largest active wildfire in the state. Agents with U.S. Customs and Border Protection questioned two crews, totaling 44 members, and arrested two firefighters who they said were in the country illegally.

But the facts clearly show that the crews were firefighters. In planning documents drafted by the management team overseeing the fire and posted to a public federal database, the crew from contracting company ASI Arden Solutions, Inc., is listed as a “CR2I” crew. That’s shorthand for a Type II Initial Attack wildland firefighting crew.

“They’re just one level below a hotshot crew,” Duncan said. “[Saying they’re not firefighters] is incredibly insulting to them.”

The other crew, from contracting company Table Rock Forestry, Inc., is listed as a “CRW2,” short for a Type II wildland firefighting hand crew. That means both crews were certified under National Wildfire Coordinating Group standards as firefighters who met rigorous qualifications and held “red cards” verifying their status to fight fire.

Additionally, the documents show that both crews were assigned to active firefighting roles in the days leading up to the raid. The crews were tasked with securing the fire edge, protecting structures, constructing fire lines and addressing hazards caused by the initial suppression work.

Many wildfire veterans who have served in similar roles privately expressed anger that the crew’s status was called into question because they had been assigned to cut firewood on the day of the raid. That frustration is heightened by the widespread belief, shared by many fire professionals, that the crews were given that assignment under false pretenses to lead them into contact with federal immigration agents.

“They were doing suppression work, and it was only when they were reassigned that day [that they were raided],” Duncan said. “To paint this picture that they would never do that to actual firefighters, it’s total spin.”

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Seems like a great way to encourage firefighters to not respond to alarms at ICE facilities and ICE agent residences. And I actually see nothing wrong with that consequence.

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Firefighters tend to be motivated to do good. The job doesn't attract many of the anti-social types you find in law-enforcement and politics that would be motivated to 'retalliate' or play favorites.

For better or worse, good people don't typically seek revenge and are not inclined to justify collateral damage (which is one of the chief risks of fire).

[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

Ehhhhhh....you'd be surprised. Was involved in the CJ field for a decade. Fire, EMS, and dispatching are very right leaning professions and politics absolutely do cloud these peoples judgement. It's pretty fucked.

[–] three_trains_in_a_trenchcoat@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OTOH, speaking as someone who worked in EMS for over a decade, the number of firefighters and EMS workers that radiate 3.6 Roentgen of Hitler particles is unnervingly high. I'm guessing this is shock that the leopard would eat THEIR face.

I know - I learned of this relatively recently, and was pretty dismayed.

Really wish they would take notes from the French instead.

[–] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wildland firefighters typically don't respond to buildings on fire. That's structure firefighters, aka the guys in big red trucks. They have a different skillset

Oh I know, but I’m also assuming some wildland firefighters have city/structure firefighter friends, and vice versa, and afaik firefighters tend to be a reasonably tight-knit group, regardless of flavor.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

well, of course they're not. firefighters are people, and therefore anybody ICE targets cannot be a firefighter, because ICE of course does not target people, obviously

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

What were the people DHS picked up near the Bear Gulch fire doing, if not firefighting? Were they there just to throw a frisbee around?