Ah yes the tried-and-true defence against violent, expansionist fascists: nonviolence. /s
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While you may not agree with it, non-violent tactics are a valid part of all resistance movements.
The same can be said for militant actions and sabotage.
In the past 25 years, name a single non-violent movement that accomplished their goals.
There are many examples throughout history. You can read about Erica Chenoweth's 3.5% rule for the general phenomenon. Regime changes are unusual, but not unheard of. It happened with Eduard Shevardnadze in 2003.
Complete noncompliance is how the Indians got the British out, so it is a valid tactic.
It's a valid tactic against those who feel shame. That group does not include the current US administration.
Oh, shame wasn't the point there. I doubt 1940s Britain was ashamed of their colonial empire either. The idea is to simply refuse to engage with the occupation administration and let it fall under its own weight.
Shame perhaps isn't quite the right concept, but you're going to have a hard time using nonviolent tactics against an opponent whose response to them is lethal violence—that is, they kill anyone who refuses to comply until people either start to comply or they run out of people, and they are quite willing to run out of people. Nonviolent tactics worked in India against the British because they wanted the labour of the Indian people, and therefore wiping them out wasn't in the cards. (Executing people, even those they considered "lesser", effectively at random also didn't fit in with their concept of moral superiority.) The same tactics would not have worked against Hitler.
In this case . . . I don't know. Trump has demonstrated depraved indifference to the survival of everyone including his countrymen, so it would come down to the beliefs and behaviour of people at the lower levels, who are not going to be consistent. They don't believe they need our labour, so that excuse is out.
The same tactics would not have worked against Hitler.
Good point. I guess this sort of thing will inevitably need to be a backdrop to the actual violent resistance.
Hitler was defeated by a sit in after all
The German people are more representative of normal people who were afraid to do anything, thinking they'd be upstarts or alarmists, until it was far too late.
"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
"You have gone almost all the way yourself. Life is a continuing process, a flow, not a succession of acts and events at all. It has flowed to a new level, carrying you with it, without any effort on your part. On this new level you live, you have been living more comfortably every day, with new morals, new principles. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things that your father, even in Germany, could not have imagined.
"Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.
"What then? You must then shoot yourself. A few did. Or ‘adjust’ your principles. Many tried, and some, I suppose, succeeded; not I, however. Or learn to live the rest of your life with your shame. This last is the nearest there is, under the circumstances, to heroism: shame. Many Germans became this poor kind of hero, many more, I think, than the world knows or cares to know."
I said nothing. I thought of nothing to say.
I guess you never heard of Ghandi?
Soooo....yer saying we should drop nukes?
And then, when the invaders look away in disgust and contempt, you shove a Maverick up their asses and blow them to Valhalla.
Fascists don't get to Valhalla
I am so sick of this constant emphasis on "non violence." We should be arming our citizens and training them for guerrilla warfare. We should be training citizens on how to make ieds.
The wester regimes ran generations long campaigns against any pleb violence...
Now they have to admit that violence is the answer?!
Bitch plz
I have no idea what you are responding to. Am I the "western regimes?"
Are you an oligarch in an OECD country?
lol fuck the non-violent part
Nah fuck that, violence is the only option with fascist thugs.
I know right? We already know we aren’t gonna stand a chance. Everything is off the table if I’m gonna die and lose my identity anyways.
A guerilla war with Canada would make afganistan look like a day at the beach, and Canada has the ability to launch attacks back.
It would be absolutely horrible for both sides. It's insane to believe these are real discussions we are having, despite the Trump supporting people I know ensuring me it would never come to this. Now no apologies to be found, they are just hiding and pretending it's not so bad.
Hopefully people look within themselves and feel some serious shame over supporting Trump.
Non violent resistance work if the other side has morals or empathy
Ukrainians needed more of this... The war would have been over in 3 days 🤡
Either of these tactics would be suicidal. Canada's real strength is its unity and institutions.
That's a weird take.
We usually have two separatist movements bubbling along under the surface. Our federal and provincial governments sabotage each other for political points. We have a hereditary underclass that's shat on by most of our institutions, and the target of weird serial killers.
Our public health agency (tasked with preventing outbreaks) had neither a plan for dealing with outbreaks, nor PPE to protect health workers. Our military has been stuck in a procurement death march for as long as I've been alive, and has had a culture of sexual abuse for at least as long. Our foreign affairs department has been running an illegal (and immoral) civilian spying program for decades. Multiple provinces were teaching ~~guessing~~ cuing into the 2010s. All levels of government try to block journalists access to information requests. We have a persistent shortage of healthcare providers, but seem unable to recognize foreign credentials or train more. Meanwhile, our healthcare costs skyrocket. And the housing crisis. And the cost of living crisis. And the post secondary funding crisis. And the opioid crisis.
But aside from those things, we show truly average unity and institutional capacity.