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The software was classed as munitions and one needed an arms dealer's license to publish it, including online. The creator of PGP published the full source code as a book, as these are covered under first amendment rights.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 182 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yes, that was indeed a very interesting story:

Zimmermann challenged these regulations in an imaginative way. In 1995, he published the entire source code of PGP in a hardback book, via MIT Press, which was distributed and sold widely. Anyone wishing to build their own copy of PGP could cut off the covers, separate the pages, and scan them using an OCR program (or conceivably enter it as a type-in program if OCR software was not available), creating a set of source code text files. One could then build the application using the freely available GNU Compiler Collection. PGP would thus be available anywhere in the world. The claimed principle was simple: export of munitions—guns, bombs, planes, and software—was (and remains) restricted; but the export of books is protected by the First Amendment. The question was never tested in court with respect to PGP. In cases addressing other encryption software, however, two federal appeals courts have established the rule that cryptographic software source code is speech protected by the First Amendment (the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Bernstein case and the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Junger case)...

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[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago

Yep, we called them crypto wars

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 78 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Fun fact: They made encryption on Ham/GMRS radios illegal because they didn't want the average citizenry to have access to secure off-grid comms without government spyware on networks that they control.

Reject Smarphones, Return to Amateur Radios. Just modify some radios, add a raspberry pi to do enccyption on the voice before it gets transmitted.

THEY CANT ARREST US ALL! (seriously tho, I haven't heard of the FCC actually doing anything, unless you were jamming the airport radios or something crazy)

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's illegal on licensed HAM channels, but legal on unlicensed channels like the 2.4 and 5Ghz ranges

Don't ask me why the distinction still remains

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago

international treaties, for one. second because lack of encryption discourages commercial/non-hobbyist use. third because the spirit of Ham is for Hams to all listen and transmit to each other.

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think FCC still takes it pretty seriously.

just use Meshtastic/LoRa. you can use encryption and you don't need a Ham license. your output power is limited but I've heard of people getting 50+ miles of range for reception.

specifically, for ham you're not allowed to obscure the meaning of your transmissions. this means no:

  • symmetric cryptography
  • numbers stations (one-time pad ciphers)
  • communicating in codewords ("the Falcon has left the nest, over!"

but you can use:

  • compression
  • commercial telegraph codes (e.g. 22415 = "Partly cloudy with a chance of showers"), as long as you're using a public codebook
  • message authentication codes (to prevent forging messages)
  • (arguably) asymmetric cryptography for signatures, identity challenge/response
  • encrypted control messages for hobbyist satellites (special exemption)

so authentication is possible, just not privacy.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

… this sounds like a fun project for the high school electronics club

[–] josefo@leminal.space 2 points 1 day ago

Hell is a fun project for me too lol. I wonder if I could layer it with ggwave for shit and jiggles

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The primary reason is the FCC can't tell if the encrypted transmissions are commercial or otherwise illegal. The amateur bands would be full of high frequency trading brokerages, drug traffickers, and spies.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

...they definitely can arrest a bunch of people. A better way would be to challenge it in court.

Or you could use other protocols like LoRaWAN

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Encryption using IP over HAM is still illegal - you can't access Lemmy because it's an HTTPS site, because we live in the 21st century.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You're referring to the Crypto Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars

Darknet diaries has a great episode on it. Highly recommend.

https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/12/

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thank you. I've watched a bunch of Darkness diaries (Usually ones that people on external sites say "this one is really good, you should watch it"), but I've found it hard to get into (the perils of a podcast's large backlog being compared to a highlight reel). I haven't watched this episode though, so I look forward to checking it out

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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the software was clsssified as munitions

lol wtf

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Encryption has played deciding roles in warfare going back to ancient times

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Like, I get wanting to not give your enemies cool toys, but the way they did it here is pretty funny. Why not just... Make a new, specific classification?

[–] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago

Because pizza is a vegetable and politicians are not the most competent bunch.

[–] dmention7@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago

Playing Devil's Advocate - If the classification of "munitions" effectively provided all the legal protections and requirements that they wanted to apply to encryption software, it would have been a lot of wasted time and effort to create a new classification and then update all the other legal documents to include and refer to that new classification.

Like, I don't even want to guess how many references to "munitions" exist in various laws and regulations that would have then needed to be reviewed, amended, debated in committees, and ultimately voted on.

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[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How did they use encryption in ancient times?

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I cannot recommend this book enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Code_Book and your local library should have it. It's an entertaining read.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well the Caesar Cipher is named after you-know-who, who used it. And the subsequent Vigènere Cipher has been in use since medieval times.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder how it worked for them given how simple this cipher is and that messages could take months to deliver.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably well enough, your basic footsoldier may not have been literate, and few were probably familiar enough with ciphers in general to know or be able to recognize the technique used.

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[–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How does Voldemort play into this? Which of the Harry Potter books included Caesar?

Harry Potter Et Ille Imperator Et Gaulia

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Restricting import and export of "military-grade" encryption hardware is still a thing in some countries. And this reaction from boomer politicians is not too surprising if that's how it is advertised, rather than "encryption implemented by every cheap-ass smart appliance out there". Which is what RSA and ECDSA are.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also anyone with a civilian GPS couldn't use it for precise measurement because they added a deliberate error into them. It also took twenty to thirty minutes to download a gif of Samantha Foxes tits. PGP was really popular then. There were version on every dial in BBS in the US. Without a doubt someone/anyone overseas that wanted it, had it. It was a joke of security theater and didn't last.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It wasn't an error, as such. They had just limited the resolution available for most people. It was called "Selected Availability".

It was described at the time by every one including the government as a deliberate error. I knew it had a name attached to it but it is inconsequential. It caused the readings to jump around randomly making the resolution somewhere are fifty to seventy five feet. Bill the blowjob bubba clinton had it turned off during his administration.

[–] kinther@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I had one of those t-shirts in the early 00s. Got it at a Goodwill and hung it on my wall for a while

[–] shane@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

I got one in the late 1990s. I wore it on a few trips from the US to Europe and was happily never jailed.

[–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yep I remember the scary text the came with certain software threatening superjail if you sent the exe overseas

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

As some from outside of the US, I also remember you had to pinky promise you are in the US to download the good version of Mozilla.

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[–] thebudman420@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The whole thing reads like this is weak encryption that doesn't actually work and that is what they wanted people to have for that false sense of security. That's wild

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[–] wulrus@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

An annoyance that came shortly after was that they were not allowed to ship the Java Runtime Environment / Development Kit with a javax.crypto library that allowed for algorithms stronger than DES (such as AES, Twofish, Blowfish, ...), or long passwords, iirc.

There was some way to download something extra (Java Cryptography Extension (JCE) Unlimited Strength Jurisdiction Policy Files) and fiddle it in, but with regulation in the US, I think.

I was quite sad when I made one of my early programs based on that and it turned out to be useless to US citizens, and hard to use for everyone else. I think I made a bouncycastle-based version later, but it was basically a full rewrite.

Edit: I'm starting to remember more absurdities of the time: Even with the JCE, the best algorithm for symmetric encryption was 3DES, which was not a legal requirement, just laziness of Sun Microsystems. While it was somewhat safe, it was less than ideal and really slow.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Fun fact, Google pay and other "modern" payment processors still had to use 3DES until 2020 at least (might still do, I got out of the industry).

[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Alr how do I get this shirt?

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