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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Fortunately, Microsoft is too incompetent to pull this off on Windows.

They tried. See the metro app push in Windows 8+. But it’s kind of incredible how much they bungled it; even now, it would be totally dysfunctional with Win32 apps locked down.

And if Windows doesn’t do it, hardware makers aren’t really interested in that sort of thing.


Stuff like SteamOS does worry me a tiny bit. It’s obviously fine now, but I can see a future where, say, Valve (or any hardware seller with some kind of successful storefront) starts to not like rising competition on their own stuff.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean we already have that with Nintendo, Xbox and PlayStation

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[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Android is opensource. ROM developers like lineageos should be able to create nornal ROMs with sideload enabled

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

...And have them able to run on zero consumer devices if the bootloaders are locked, and the manufacturers refuse to sign their ROMs for them. (Hint: they will refuse to sign their ROMs for them.)

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[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 11 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Fear of this is why I have been hoarding any computer that runs for a long time now

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Just use Linux?

I don't understand the question...

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[–] handsoffmydata@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Now? Doesn’t M$ still release the "S" mode version of Windows that only allow downloads via their "official App Store"?

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Absolutely not, that would never happen. Why? Because there's a load of stuff that runs on Windows that is ancient and only exists as legacy software and never receives updates.

If anything, Windows is the last operating system that will have locked bootloaders, because if they do, there's gonna be some bank somewhere in the world suing them because their ancient counting software was originally made for Windows 3.0 back in the day and Microsoft has had to build their entire operating system around making sure that software continues to run.

They might have hardware requirements like the TPM chip, but they're never going to make it so you can only install software approved by them, because they've got over 40 years of software they'd need to approve before they can do that, and they won't.

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[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

That is already a thing in ARM laptops

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They'd have to completely kill the ability to build your own machine (the whole "IBM compatability" thing) and I don't see that happening when almost every business and factory uses their own custom shit for specific niche reasons.

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[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And Android phones will get a workaround to fuck over Google, the genie is out of the bottle. This shit will never happen to "all PCs"

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[–] localhorst@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

https://youtu.be/HUEvRyemKSg might be relevant.

Turns out some people can predict the future if they pay attention

[–] Unlocking_Freedom@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Linux is quite well established now on home pc's and servers to the dismay of Microsoft and Apple. I hated Secureboot , built into UEFI, during startup by verifying the digital signatures of firmware, drivers, and the OS bootloader. Reading into Deep State Mass surveillance helps:

https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann/history.htm#surveillance

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Nothing says that Linux could eventually evolve into the same thing or fail to ever really function for the masses.

[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Nah, PCs are easier to install anything we want. Corps trying to lock out Linux would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

Phones are what they would like to get a tighter leash on, because it has become a device that nearly everyone buys more than PCs due to them being more usable and cheaper, and thus a bigger revenue channel.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 5 days ago (14 children)

You're describing Secure Boot. It happened years ago.

And, btw, the Android thing also doesn't affect anyone without gapps. Chill out.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

When I was tasked with buying laptops for a company, I made sure to test Linux compatibility on every machine. If the model didn't support Linux, we didn't buy it.

Most of the devs were windows users, but there were enough devs and sysadmins that preferred Linux that it just made more sense to only buy hardware that supports both windows and Linux. I'm sure a lot of tech companies have a similar policy (it's one reason think pads are so ubiquitous)

Corporate pressure would never allow such lockdown in the market

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