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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 246 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

The infuriating part of the Google enshittification process is that there is absolutely nothing the user can do about it.

Literally the only thing that motivates Google is profit. Controlling side-loaded apps will almost certainly boost their profits by a infinitesimal fraction of a percent, therefore it will be done. Even if consumer uproar causes Google to back down in the short term, they'll simply implement this a few months later. Late-stage Capitalism sucks.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 122 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (30 children)

You can stop using all Google products. Now I understand their market share on the web means they’re going to continue to shape the web.

But make no mistake. There is something, however small, that you can do. De-Google.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 50 points 19 hours ago (25 children)

I will help hand hold anyone who wants to build servers or services (to the best of my ability) to replace Google services with their own.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There are a lot of alternatives out there. What service or services are you stuck on?

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 18 points 18 hours ago (13 children)

For me, MitID in Denmark. 100% required for society and life here, requires Google Play Services now :(

I tried e/os on my Fairphone for a bit. I think I could make it all work okay enough besides that. I should write people at the government or something I guess?

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yes! Being active politically is always important.

Be civil and polite at first, you want these people on your side after all. But don't be afraid to hold back if they respond with bullshit either. They are your representative, make them represent you and hold them to account if required.

Encouraging friends and family to write is usually a good idea too.

Not being politically engaged, I feel, is one of the main reasons for the downfall of democracy throughout the globe. Too many people think ticking a box every 4-5 years is all they need to do.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 46 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

You can stop using all Google products.

My public school -- that my children are basically required by law to attend, remember -- is badgering me to sign a consent form so they can have Chromebooks.

This fight is a lot fucking larger than mere individual boycotts!

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 20 points 12 hours ago

And my kids school requires every parent to have a Google account to track progress and share information.

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 44 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

De-Google

The complaint is side loading is being restricted and the only long term alternative Apple. Google already began the process of shutting down Graphene by cutting drivers out of AOSP.

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-not-killing-aosp-3566882/

[–] Solventbubbles@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Hang on, as somebody who knows enough to be looking into switching to graphene, but not entirely enough to know what AOSP is, what exactly is happening?

Am I going to fuck myself over? If I do end up switching to a custom rom? Should I just wait on the Linux community to build something better?

All I want is a working device that isn't selling all my shit to Mark Zuckerberg

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 21 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

G is restricting the factory images/source (I believe) that graphene uses to build their system, so they are having to work backwards, take more time, etc. It's a shitty thing to do but afaik it's not a blocker. I'm typing this on a gos pixel 8 pro right now.

Linux phones are still in their infancy, and are pretty shit if you need anything more than the ability to call and text (sms) on specific carriers (limitations applies to the USA, AUS, and a couple more I believe). I have a pinephone 1st gen and it's... Cool for messing with, absolutely, but jesus christ it's painful to actually attempt to use. I bought that 3y ago and not much has changed, from videos I've seen (my pinephone screen is lifting and failing so...). From a developer - like, bringing Linux to the phone platform - sure, grab one. As a user, unless you understand that you very likely will not daily this device (or any similar device) because shit just doesn't work/isn't ready and are OK with that... No, don't. A few more years, maybe.

[–] eodur@piefed.social 22 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS is still moving ahead albeit slower, as you said. They are also working on a deal with a phone manufacturer to bring a more secure phone to market. I dunno whether it will just meet the same security levels of the Pixels and ship with stock Android, or if it will be a full GrapheneOS Phone. I'm hoping for the latter, but it will more likely be the former. Fingers crossed.

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 22 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

You can stop using all Google products.

That may be true for you, but other people face different realities. When Google implements the sideloading block it will eventually be pushed to everyone who doesn't use a custom ROM.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 94 points 19 hours ago (13 children)

Its about time an open standard happened for mobile OSes.

[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 72 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

That's what Android was and they keep trying to undo that any way they can

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 34 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (5 children)

We need a new one that isn't made by a for-profit company that only was good at the beginning to get total market saturation before flipping the enshittification switch to maximize those profits.

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[–] axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

We need open bootloader and drivers for phones to make any real progress on this. This is what's holding back all initiatives.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 19 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

the best outcome for the short term would be to forcibly take away android from google and give it to an independent foundation. as I heard antitrust proceedings in the usa were heading that way a few months ago

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[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 67 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

I don't know about anyone else, but I got into computers at a young age because it gave me a sense of control over something. I didn't understand everything, but I could do a lot of trial and error, read things and experiment, build cool things, and I shared a sense of community with some random internet strangers based on that knowledge.

In a world where we are so powerless in so many other ways, why did we insist on bringing that power dynamic into the new bright tech sphere? Why did we have to do that? (N.B. this is rhetorical questioning).

[–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 26 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

In the new Alien Earth TV show, 5 corporations basically run everything.. unfortunately I suspect thats where we are headed as a species.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There are at least two generations of us who are disappointed at the contrast between tech's possibilities as envisioned decades ago and the corporate surveillance crap we have to put up with today.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 17 points 18 hours ago

We, as in the average every day people, didn't do shit. The corporations that make the shit we use are the ones who got us here. The only thing the people using the devices and software are guilty of is not making a fuss about losing control over the stuff becsuse the average person does not care that deeply about the tools and likely doesn't even know about a good 75% of what was lost.

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[–] Mika@sopuli.xyz 62 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

When reading cyberpunk lore, quickhacks didn't make any sense to me. Some programs that break cyberware because of backdoors, but why would people install cyberware with backdoors?

Now I look at the sad state of mobile market and, yeah ok, that makes sense.

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[–] FreddyNO@lemmy.world 45 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Lootboblin@lemmy.world 20 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Easily the most disgusting company in the planet and it’s funny that their old motto/slogan was ”Don’t be evil”.

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[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 39 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Are you kidding me? How am I supposed to live in this damn Orwellian society that is coming?

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[–] generator@lemmy.zip 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

they just want to confirm a malicious actor didn’t develop it

So Newpipe, SmartTube, Nintendo emulators...

Clones of opensource apps bundled with ads that violates license is OK, but restricting everyone to build and test apps from source so it can test new features and report any issues is too risky for the user

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[–] flemtone@lemmy.world 31 points 9 hours ago (29 children)

Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.

[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Wait until Google locks the bootloader.

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[–] markko@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

Sucks that it only works on devices made by Google though..

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[–] Amoxtli@thelemmy.club 29 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

What's my better option at this point?

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 27 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

The EU's been breathing down Apple's neck for them trying to do similar shit, so i find the timing kinda weird.
Plus they'd need to force-update their spyware first, i wonder how many versions of android they're willing to go back.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 23 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And they can suckle upon my peener.

I'll go to Graphine or something else before I let the company for whom "don't be evil" was too bold a statement dictate my fuckin' choices.

I already ditched Windows. Can't be that hard to cut Google out too.

[–] traceur301@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Graphene has locked itself to google hardware, and google can cripple them at any point by stopping bootloader unlocks. We need to go deeper, or aim higher as it were

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[–] bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world 21 points 3 hours ago

now it's just a race for the giant conglomerates to make the worst decisions for consumers

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 18 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Year of the Linux phone, I guess.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 14 points 12 hours ago

chrome is at thier limits, since people can just use a different browser/

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

just dont update your phone problem solved

[–] user@startrek.website 30 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is likely via silent updates of Google's Play Services.

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