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Grassroots organization will save us.
Absolutely vote for whatever your personal issue is in the primary. Make your voice heard and let the candidates know about it.
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don't give a fuck if the Dem doesn't like your issue, I'll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don't give a fuck if the Dem doesn't like your issue, I'll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
Unless he’s Zohran, then we clutch pearls and support the corrupt creepy predator guy.
I've heard this brought up a lot. First of all, fuck Cuomo. Any rational person should be supporting Zohran over any of the other candidates.
But also, is there an actual worry about the ticket getting split or non-votes and allowing the Republican to win? That's essentially what "vote Blue" is about.
Also, progressives have one candidate that is obviously better than the alternative, even if they don't like both. Moderates aren't necessarily convinced. It's just a different argument.
Although, if they are and they still just don't like them, I'm 100% telling them to get off their ass and vote to stop the nazis.
is there an actual worry about the ticket getting split or non-votes and allowing the Republican to win
Nope. The Republican candidate is perennial loser and insanely racist vigilante Curtis Sliwa. Nobody thinks he has a chance, including himself. He's purely in it for the PR and donations.
That's essentially what "vote Blue" is about.
Nope. That's their excuse to force "electable" (read: right wing and corrupt) candidates on voters who would much rather have someone who'll faithfully represent their wants and needs but scared of getting someone even worse.
Adams the fascist cop (but I repeat myself) won his primaries by a fraction of a percentage (after a full court press propaganda campaign on his behalf by both major parties and all NYC-based MSM) and they were immediately falling over each other to declare him "the future of the party"
Mamdani beats the establishment favorite in a surprise landslide and they're all pretending that he's a communist terrorist that somehow snuck in against the will of everyone.
And because there are way more fascist friendly neoliberals than there are progressives it will never be someone you actually want to vote for.
This has been the pattern for my entire life and expecting this stupid country full of idiots to change is a recipe for disappointment.
Sure, but Gavin Newsom might very well also be a Nazi. If you're from California, then you're probably aware that he's not exactly defending the the sanctuary state that he's been charged to lead. He's also kind of giving mayors carte blanche (and State-level support) to "clean up" homeless encampments, and he's publicly stated that he doesn't believe that "trans athletes should be allowed to compete against girls" in and interview with Charlie Kirk, and then recently doubled down on that.
So what do you do when both Candidates want to fuck the world?
Obviously the fascist party is accelerating things quickly, but the Democrats aren't doing anything to slow it down. Just as in every single case of a fascist takeover ever, the liberals enable the fascists. They keep trying to shift to the right to "capture voters" which literally has never worked, but they keep trying. Why?
i can't believe after the dissolution of checks and balances and the ongoing kidnapping of hispanic people nationwide we're still having this conversation.
obviously newsom is actively awful. but calling it "both candidates want to fuck the world" is so narrow-minded knowing everything that is happening to america every day right now.
it's frustrating to be an american and be given two choices who both suck. one choice sucks so much more. not playing along in this fucked up democracy puts american people in danger.
I don't think "sucks so much more" is all that accurate though. Both candidates do want to fuck the world.
Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were Drone-Striking kids? Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were mass-deporting people? Where were the Checks and balances for torture programs, killing americans, giving our tax money to their rich friends, building out surveillance programs, backing a genocide, etc?
Yes, one side is worse, but the supposed "opposition" is doing everything they can to get as close to the worse side as they can.
There are no small wins anymore. Harm reduction is important, but it's also important to understand what is happening right now. That's all I'm saying. The Democrats will not be your salvation, they will be your slow demise. The Republicans will be your quick demise. People need to take to the streets, not the ballots. If you can't see that, then you're still living in the past. Listen to yourself: "compete dissolution of checks and balances" but you still think we can reform it all better?
C'mon, you don't seem to be that out of the loop. Surely you get it by now? I don't think you deserve to have a master
not playing along in this fucked up democracy puts american people in danger.
Yet playing along seems to have led to fascism. Voting clearly is not enough, we have to take action outside of the system. Our fucked up electoral system could not be relied upon before and it definitely can't now with a fascist in office doing everything he can to rig it in his favor. We need more people to become disillusioned with our electoral system because it is dead now, and believing in the fantasy that we can vote our way out of fascism isn't going to do anyone any favors.
One person thinks trans people shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports.
The other person thinks that trans people shouldn't be allowed to live.
Please help I can't figure out how these two are different
Your heuristic is easy to beat. A Nazi just needs to run as a Democrat, hide their true feelings until the general election, and they can trick you into voting for them every time.
You must be working for Fetterman
Well they can trick you into voting for them the first time, anyways
And why is this even a conversation now? There is literally no reason for anyone to care about the 2028 election. I mean hell, in all likelihood you won't even get to have real elections in 2028 at this rate, so now in 2025 go do something about it.
I'll even donate to change their mind,
That... makes no sense.
Giving politicians money to change their mind is straight up how Dems operate. They're barely even shy about it.
Yeah but you need a lot of zeros and commas on that check for them to give a damn
Less than you'd think, but hey - they didn't say how much they were gonna spend.
Nah i'm done playing this no sensical game. If I vote, it's for PSL and any other third party option. Not like voting for a Dem in my state of Missouri will do anything so might as well vote for who I actually want to support and stop doing the "hold your nose and vote for the slightly less bigoted fascist".
Yeah. Newsom trolling Trump is funny as hell. He is still a piece of shit, though.
I'm laughing. But I haven't forgotten hes a transphobe
Guys...he might hate trans and homeless people, but check out those dank memes his staffer is posting.
He has faught against ranked choice voting everytime he has had the chance.
There are lots of reasons to dislike Newsom. His office's mockery of Trump isn't one of them. It's possible to cheer him for that and dump on him for the other things.
Yeah, praising someone's action is not an endorsement of their whole person. I asked this to someone who claimed the stunt wasn't funny because Newsom sucks:
Would you not laugh if RFK Jr punched Trump in the face?
But nuance is dead, only 100% good or 100% bad and if they do a single bad thing ever then that's 100% bad forever for them
This is the answer, Gavin Newsom sees a role to play and is cynically doing it, he is a risky distraction that gives me "I will absolutely throw you under the bus for power" vibes exactly like mayo Pete.
To be clear, I was and am one of the ones saying the people who didn't vote out of protest or not bothering contributed to the current regime.
But yes, right now is exactly the time to start going after the Dems. Now is the time to support progressives. Now is the time for shitting on the Chuck Schumers and try to push them out of office. There is little those on the left can do to persuade the current regime, but on the off-chance there are legitimate-ish elections next year or in three years, either shifting the Dems left or replacing them with a viable Left Party is the thing we should do right now.
In other words, now is not the time for the lesser evil.
Yes go after the dems for being complicit with thr Trump regime and also being shitty people themsevles who are intentionallh suroessing the left wing candidates.
But im also enjoying the petty trolling of Trump and dont mind giving Newsom a little bit of approval for it.
Not once have I ever had anyone giving me shit about bringing up Newsom’s transphobia respond to the fact that LGBTQ political leaders and rights organizations within California, some of which have been fighting for LGBTQ rights for decades, immediately condemned his statements. Those people and organizations are all just too stupid and idealistic to understand how politics works, I guess. 🙄
You’d think a ‘liberal/leftist’ screaming at a trans person to shut the fuck up about transphobia would cause some cognitive dissonance, but nope, not even a little.
It would be great if they spent even 1/10th the energy putting pressure on Newsom to stop being a fucking transphobe.
Sidenote: Does anyone else feel like people are coping hard trying to pretend the country and system is as normal as ever? Like keeping their heads in their work or schooling. Or something else they can dive into. Instead of facing the broken-ness? Or is that just me?
Head in the sand. They've had it there since the election. If they just weather the next 3 and a half years, everyone will join together and just vote to fix it and our benovalent left will step in to selflessly serve us, unwind all this mess and make sure it can never happen again.
They don't realize that this will be the point in history they look back at hundreds of years from now and try to figure out what happened. UK is going nuts, EU is going nuts. Privacy is under attack, speech is under attack. We're all sliding into China's model of control, but we're not even getting the socialist advantages.
If you don't want it to be Newsom, you have 2 years to organize and make it someone else.
Wait, wouldn't it just be way easier to spend that entire time insufferably bitching about everything and criticizing everyone's faults and then just voting for him in the end anyway?
Putting the onus on me to find someone is all well and good, but are you really OK with settling for Newsom?
Why don't we look together for someone more palatable?
If Newsone wants your vote he has 2 years to come up with better policies. Lol but he's not going to do that. If he wanted your vote he'd rep your positions but he wants to rep other interests.
if Burnie succeeded in anything, it's getting the party to at least pretend to be leftist on paper occasionally. accepting the top candidate before the primary is a mistake. make them earn your vote.
Dems suffer greatly in finding the greatest shitbags possible who aren't officially republican.
Vote Blue No Matter Who means they don't need to find a good candidate, and are free to ratfuck as much as they'd like during primaries. After all, the alternative is a republican, what are you going to do, convince 70 million other people to all vote for the same third party?
Hillary Clinton was up 17 points two years out, there's plenty of time to fuck this up
2 years is plenty of time for democrats to get the message ‘i will not vote for anything but a progressive proven to run on progressive policies.’
I hope so. The problem is the Democratic Party would rather lose again than fight for universal healthcare, federally mandated maternity leave, national carbon tax, childcare programs, ending genocide, etc. ; and the democratic voters would rather "vote blue no matter who" than lose to the Republican Party again. So we end up with these establishment corporation oligarchy-asskissing candidates.
I won't enthusiastically pledge allegiance to that homeless eating ghoul on Nov 3 2027.
I might, MIGHT, begrudgingly vote for the bastard. (If he promises Universal Healthcare) And if he wins I'll shit on him as much as is warranted. We already know he sucks. He is going to suck immensely. This is known. But we'll just have to see how it shakes.