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A collection of some classic Lemmy memes for your enjoyment
This is MS we're talking about. Preview and Viewer are probably made by two different teams in different countries, sharing no code, and prohibited from communicating with each other, even if they know about the other's existence.
And famously they fired all QAs years ago so there's nobody to test before releasing.
One leveraging the graphics engine from internet explorer the other using the graphics engine from ms paint 1.0
I work in big tech and this is my life. I envy anyone who thinks you're exaggerating, because that means they haven't experienced the joy of spending weeks trying to track down the team responsible for a bug and then months hassling them to fix it.
And if they do talk to each other, the different departments need to go through the whole hierarchy for everything and each manager puts their spin on it, so you get answers back from questions that were not asked.
Here's a real and true story about how separate Microsoft teams communicate and coordinate:
Few weeks ago, some Microsoft team from the US deprecated some critical service used by other Microsoft products. They just shut it off without notifying anyone. Other teams from other Microsoft offices in the rest of the world found about this deprecation when their production builds started failing to log customers in to the applications that they need for their businesses. People were called in from their vacations, emergency meetings were held to play hot potato with responsibility. Clients were PISSED. I stopped following the drama before it was resolved.
What is actually the best way to set up good communication between people and departments? Daily stand-ups tend to become hour long meetings. Make it an e-mail means people don't read it half the time, some even having a rule to automatically shred that kind of mails. Set up talks between people and have a bunch of them not showing up but then get angry nobody asked them for their opinion.
For example a matrix org structure can do wonders.
Really, anything other than vertical hierarchical setup favored by so many tech companies.
Wait does this mean I work in little tech?
Little tech? Like, a micro company that makes software? A "micro-soft", if you will.
No no, it needs to be more present, more ubiquitous, more "ubi-soft"
I imagine the two teams sharing the same desk through a hole in the wall like in Brazil.
I can almost guarantee that they would be using different things. usually you have simpler libraries to decode formats (almost 1 for each codec), and separate programs plug these libraries in to generate the output. previews do not have to be accurate and have to be fast, so a simpler program with just linear scaling or something, where as actual image would be complex which has to worry about accuracy.
still not a excuse to not have support for a free 15 year old format
Webp is the worst format ever.
Never mind that:
it sucks because the one image viewer I've ever had installed by the ubiquitous (= monopolistic) operating system everyone has by default doesn't support it.
I just hate webp because it’s supported in a grand total of 2 programs so it’s just annoying to deal with
Is this a matter of time, or do most programs never plan to add support?
avif is better than it in almost all ways, and jpex xl is even better than that (but not about gifs i think)
webp is essentially a webm file (which is mkv with codec restrictions(vp8/9 and ogg vorbis or opus))
avif is av1 encoded files in a webp like container (but not webm afaik)
jpeg xl is a format made specifically for images
Is this a Windows problem I'm too Linux to understand?
Seriously, everything on my computer -- Firefox, Dolphin, Gwenview, GIMP, etc. -- supports webp just fine.
Yes. As someone who uses both, this is a M$ problem.
It’s an everywhere problem. A lot of sites and apps still don’t support it, but a most browsers do. So people download images from their browser, then they try to view / edit locally, or upload and share, and they hit a wall.
We of the privileged Linux class.
Yeah, same here. No problem with webp on Linux Mint.
I guess it's Windows users with the default image viewer. IrfanView on W10 handles webp fine for me.
I kept a copy of the old Windows XP version of media viewer/pictute viewer, whatever the hell its generic name was becsuse at some point in, IIRC, Vista, they updated it to some piece of garbage that had an uglier UI, worked slower, had no options for slideshows, and didn't even support shit like animated .gifs.
Even that old ass program can open a .webp image.
Yo that was an absolute joke. Were they serious with that?
Windows handled gifs fine for years then suddenly only the first frame. Seriously?!
What the hell, seriously?
Look, I was a big fan of HEIF but these days I just want anything better than PNG and fucking JPEG and GIF.
It already happened years ago. It's supported and widely used. Why do people keep posting this misinformational meme?
I remember when you could’ve made this meme about PNGs.
And in a SANE world, somebody who learned a lesson would be using their knowledge so we don't keep repeating the same crap over and over again.
It's Microsoft you are talking about here
I loathe windows, but I did just double check because this sounds inept even for M$ -- Win photos will absolutely open .webp, but it's not the default program for whatever reason and it just defaults to edge / your_default_web_browser_here. Which is just impressively on brand for microsoft. Even when they have a feature they hide it to, idk, make themselves look even worse? Why not!
(FWIW this is a clean install, I do not have any non-default codecs installed)
Media viewer and the file browser are completely different programs with different support for media file types.
Not that this is an excuse for Media Viewer to not open webp files. Also asking you to pay for h265 support is extra ridiculous.
I just use VLC for everything.
They are made by the same company and sold as a unified software package under the name Windows 11 [edition]
Irfanview is the answer.
I don't even know what the question was tbh, but I'm still right.
I didn't have time to check all the comments, so here's a backup:
Just install GNU/Linux
;)
I use irfanview, VLC and jellyfin. no problems.
Time to screenshot the preview and stretch out the jpeg. Upload it when the time calls, only for the web server to re-encode it in webp. The cycle continues.
It's a codec issue. You can get the codec if your OEM paid for it, if not you can buy it on the MS store. It sucks but plenty of other codecs have had the same issue in the past on windows, mkv wasn't playable by windows unless you had a codec for it.
win10-11. major oem prebuilt and cto should have it installed, otherwise it's here:
https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pg2dk419drg
should be 'free' afaik.
for win<10, get WebpCodecSetup.exe from the webm/webp project download archives: https://storage.googleapis.com/downloads.webmproject.org/releases/webp/index.html
I was trying to write something that would save an AVIF image this week. Holy shit the ecosystem is bad. I had to encode the image and write the exif tags with two different libraries. The latter being a CLI program and not a library. The WEBP situation is even worse.
We are never getting away from JPEG.
