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Wait, what the hell?
I can't believe this, who the hell are they to decide what I should install?
They are welcome to curate their own store, but sideloading concerns only the user.
Hopefully, the EU and other jurisdictions block this.
Fucking corrupt American oligarchs.
Hopefully, the EU and other jurisdictions block this.
This is very similar to the notarization process Apple introduced to comply with the EU requirement of allowing third-party stores, and yet the EU doesn't seem concerned (maybe because Apple did not allow third-party stores in the first place, will it be different for Google?)
Not an Apple user, so I didn't know about this. Extremely disappointing.
It really does seem avoiding any and all American services/products (to the extent possible, with exceptions where reasonable) is the only way forward.
I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the US is a ethical, cultural and even economic dead end. Yes even economic, only a fool would believe intense corruption and broad support of criminality and corruption among the population will not have any negative effects in the future.
The EU can't even distribute their own apps without Play Integrity. Seems unlikely they will care.
Google says it's no different than checking IDs at the airport
What, and Google is now the TSA? Fuck that shit. I've paid for my device, I get to do whatever the hell I want with it!
Okay, let’s check ids wherever you leave the house, since that’s the sane as checking them at the airport.
Papers please, right?
For your security we're going to block your access to FOSS and apps that let you avoid our ads. This is totally not a business decision. Pinky swear.
Google says it's no different than checking IDs at the airport.
You're not a fucking airport, Google!
Also we bought and own the fucking plane! Don't tell us where we can fly to!
Better. We bought the airport. Google was paid to pave the runway and maintain it for a couple years after. And now they try to dictate that only planes they approve may start and land.
No one talking about how this could completely annihilate open source .apk development? First off the lead dev has to get identity verified to get a key, which will reduce the number of devs willing to push through friction to start a project. Then when the key is issued and it is posted to the repository, what keeps anyone from grabbing it and using it for another repo? We'll they have an official app registration of some kind, ok, what about version control? Does every new version have to be registered before it can be loaded and tested? Same for forks?
This is about to be a terrible mess, Google is assassinating FOSS with this.
Its 2050, you are waiting outside of the HR Office waiting for them to talk to you. You're certain that your job has just been replaced by a robot.
Fuck this shit, you thought, 90% of the people are unemployed anyways, fuck this 16 hour shift.
You pull out your hand terminal (yes a "hand terminal", as "smartphones" no longer have local storage now, almost all computing is done on cloud) and start typing in your journal app: "Down with the regime, Down with tyranny!". You tap "save".
"Action not authorized. This incident has been reported"
2 seconds later, you can hear sirens in the distance growing louder and louder.
I first read the original report from Android Authority thinking it would only be an additional hurdle for third-party stores and developers, but I'm now thinking that it would potentially block the use of ReVanced
Yeah I don't know what they'll block yet but I'm already assuming some of my apps will be blocked. It's pretty terrible news. I really didn't want to have to hunt down a phone that was compatible with alternative OS's.
The current trends and direction of tech is making me want to become Amish...
I'm getting so fucking sick of everything turning into shit, what's even the point of fucking point anymore? This is borderline kernel level enshitification
The Amish that I grew up near were big into shunning, child marriage, sexual abuse, not talking to the cops, and lots of drugs.
I'm just saying it might be easier to switch to open source or something.
only malware i have read about on android have came from google's oh so safe store.
How can that be legal?
Because Apple does it
Fuck.
Wasn't it made illegal on Europe?
Google has been been cracking down on installing .apk's on your phone for years and they're getting more and more aggressive about it. It's not a question of if they'll disallow it completely, but when.
It's already extremely tedious. Back in the Android 2.3 days (oh, good old Gingerbread) you could just get an APK and install it, but those times are long gone.
Years ago they threatened the developer of Total Commander to remove his app from the PlayStore unless he patched out an APK install feature, so he was forced to do that.
Now another example: Try to install eBay on a phone that is not passing device integrity. It is not listed on the PlayStore because your device doesn't pass safety checks. You can grab an APK and install it, but the OS will check if the app has been installed through the PlayStore and if it hasn't, it will complain and close itself.
GrapheneOS has patched that bullshit out, btw.
And this behaviour happens with all apps where the developer has enabled the "App Integrity" option, which is heavily pushed as a super-great security feature. So developers might just enable that feature, not being fully aware of the implications.
As you can see, it's one method at a time, slowly but surely, until Google fully controls the ecosystem. The intention behind that is pretty clear: They don't want people to have AdAway and Revanced, they want money and user data. And they also want you to login to the PlayStore, get hooked on their stupid daily points challenges and spend your hard-earned money on virtual crap.
This is textbook enshittification, it will only get worse from here on.
So I guess my next phone will be a Chinese phone. Even if it spies on me, I'll have the freedom to install whatever I want from anywhere.
The Chinese have a golden window of opportunity. Let's hope they don't mess this up.
LOL. Chinese phones are way worse, they simply block installations of "unsanctioned" apps with no workaround.
My wife is Chinese and I used to live there for 7 years, it's an absolute privacy nightmare.
fuck google!
Who can I donate to that is working on making alternative OS accessible on android or iphones?
I know there are alternative OS already out there but they aren't as universally accessible compared to how Linux can run on any PC.
So Android is pointless now?
No, really. If I'm gonna be dragged kicking and screaming into the walled garden, why would I go with Google's joke of an ecosystem instead of much nicer and better integrated Apple garden?
I might as well start carrying one of those weird branded ultra-tiny laptops from AliExpress and some used, older iPhone for the 2 apps I need.
Fuck it. Throw out the baby, the bathwater, the bathtub, the whole damn thing. Fuuuuck it.
It also becomes no different than iPhone, so.. what's keeping me to android if they do this? Or hey, maybe I'll commit to de-googling. I have CoMaps, I'm planning to setup nextcloud soon... Hell, I don't even buy anything on Google play anymore since it's so shit, i have no purchases tying me to the OS. Maybe I'll buy a cheap old iPhone so I can finally use imessage with everyone that's been bitching about me and use other tech for everything else.
(I'm not going to iPhone, but the point stands)
Google can get fucked. I feel like there will be a nontrivial market for de-googled or older and unlocked Android phones after this. If they manage to kill off custom roms with their previous AOSP rug pull I'll go back to using a (subpar) Linux phone or maybe even one of those cheap flip phones.
Looks like I'm gonna just carry a stock phone, give it nothing but the most basic information and tether it to a laptop over a VPN. They stop tethering? I'll use VOIP and a hotspot.
Welcome back to 2011. Maybe messenger bags will come back into fashion in foss culture.
Hve linux nerds invented a new OS for phones yet? I think I'm gonna need one
Postmarket OS is getting there. It only runs at all on a couple dozen older phones. And they don't currently have receive voice. But 2 months ago they didn't have 4G data or send voice so...
Oh, and battery life is not good.
My next mobile device will likely be a small tablet running Linux and a Wi-Fi hotspot.
If you’re technical enough to sideload Android apps, you’re probably technical enough to install Graphene too.
If google is gonna ban sideloading, surely they will lock their bootloaders first.
I'm probably going to spam this around a bit, since most people don't seem to know about it, but a reminder that FuriLabs has a (GNU+)Linux phone with decent spec.s and the ability to run Android app.s (from what I've heard) pretty decently: https://furilabs.com/
Biggest drawback is it's based on Halium. Usual growing pains of a new product/company apply but apparently the company is pretty responsive and their dev.s have worked with customers to get things like calling working with the carrier and bands of their country where it hasn't worked before so improvements move pretty quickly.
Collection of different experiences I've variously seen online over the last year or so:
I don't own one, myself, so I can't give any personal experience but I've seen it around for a few years now but most people don't seem to even know about it. Maybe there's a reason for that? But none I've ever seen anyone say.
What does this mean for F-Droid?
Every developer wishing to offer applications on F-Droid will have to register their identities and package names to Google for Android devices to install their apps, regardless of the distribution platform (F-Droid, Obtainium, GitHub releases, etc.)
2026 year of the Linux phone?
So looks like graphene is the future. Away from android and iOS. Any other alternatives OS and phone to look at?
lineageos does support far more phone vendors; who knows what pixel phones will be like in the future
I'm hoping on fairphone to get graphene support 🤷
Isn't graphene having a challenging future because they have vendor locked themselves into pixel phones and said vendor is pulling the rug by not providing drivers going forward?
How about we abandon proprietary locked-down launcher sandboxes on our phones and just run regular old Linux on them like we do on the desktop?
Isn't that what PostmarketOS is? Is there some bullshit firmware issue in the way of that? What exactly is stopping us?
I heard that they're probably going to be using the Google Play store and probably similar modules to play protect to enforce this. So the question becomes will disabling the Google Play store bypass this? It outright kills play protect dialogue as well as its app disabling capability as a whole since play protect is part of Google Play store.
