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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Oh fuck yes.

This guy gets it.

I hope this goes viral. It really is incredible.

[–] Englishgrinn@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Man, Charlie Angus has really been the man of moment here. He's doing the same speech all over this country, seen it in a bunch of places. I know that sounds like a criticism - how can he be genuine when he's repeating himself and refining the message? Isn't that just a stump speech?

But it's not. First of all, anyone who knows Charlie Angus' record knows this isn't new territory for him.

Second, the reason this feels so genuine is because it's how WE feel. We aren't being told what to think, we're having our feelings put into words right in front of us.

And finally, these lines aren't stupid slogans or focus group tested pablum. These are things I've heard other Canadians say to each other, things I've said, way before any political leader was saying it. He's speaking in plain and easy language, in the exact terms Canadians think about this.

Populism and patriotism are heady, dangerous drugs. So quickly, they can pour over into mob-mentality, anti-intellectualism and nationalism. We have to be careful, and we have to be smart. But right now, man, I am riding this high. Elbows up!

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago

I appreciate that he also takes time to focus on a positive message. Democracy, diversity, all that. Populist movements that celebrate diversity are just not that scary to me.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago
[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I love Charlie Angus, I’m proud he’s from northern Ontario (I love Cobalt & the tri-towns)

Canada is lucky to have Mr. Angus in this time.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 7 points 6 days ago

It's unfortunate that this is going to be his last term (although I don't blame him for wanting to retire).

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

I just saw this, and I'm fired up! We need more of this energy, every day.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I saw him live at an earlier event. He’s a fantastic speaker. 🔥🔥🔥wish he was NDP leader. He’s the left populist Canada needs.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Hes totally got Jack Layton vibes, but more working class, like your neighbourhood peewee hockey coach that isn't a dick

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We need him. I’m devastated he’s quitting politics.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Who knows if he's actually quitting for good considering the attention he's getting right now. He's almost more vocal now even

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago

He’s not currently running in his riding of Timmins.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Very good/strong speech, but usual US programming infecting Canadian minds apply. The specific "democratic values" identity is actually problematic, but will address last.

I went to NATO meeting and all of our allies were silent when asked to support Canada.

Trump, in his antagonism of all allies, has successfully made them more divided with Russia and China. Especially Canada, even to Mexico. Cowering individually is surely a losing strategy for all, but increased divisiveness with Russia and China whether or not it is collective, is definitely a losing path. Internalizing US enemies as our own, is US mind control and US sycophancy. Divisiveness against US enemies is self destructive, and direct treasonous assistance to US pressure against us. We need closer relations with countries who do not cower to US. Europe approach/reaction is loser joke.

Trump wants Arctic to gift it to Putin

It is offensively stupid to believe that Trump/US empire doesn't want domination of Canada purely for US empire benefits. Going full Tropic Thunder on blaming Russia for it, leads to idiocy that war on Russia must be the solution, as if that wasn't US empire objective all along to make us a proxy. Russia does not need our Arctic resources, and if they do, they will pay us for access. They will not be invading Canada, ever.

Golden billion democracy, democratic values, is the ultimate value

Democracy in US is no protection from Oligarchy and Zionist supremacim. An additional factor in US allied democracies is US colonial control over those democracies. Our wonderful democracy doesn't prevent extreme divisiveness lately, and it is a direct result of unsustainability, and the oligarch forces that want profits a few extra years over sustainability. Collective stupidity, or acceptance that world/country/master ally is unsustainable, is a big factor, and I assure you that war on Russia and China is no solution.

Good/humanist national governance comes without our major divisive and evil flaws. Economic pluralism where affording a family is possible, where sustainability of education and healthcare can be hoped, Sexual and marriage freedom is pluralism too, and a notably appreciated Canadian freedom/value. Language and cultural freedom is pluralism, also a Canadian value. Canada's labelling of apartheid ethnostates who have suspended elections as "wonderful democracies" is simply political distortion of pluralism/humanist values. Gender/identity supremacism is not pluralism.

China and Russia have economic pluralism. Syria had some sexual pluralism. The freedom to be divisive, destructive, and treasonous representative of a colonial power should stop being considered a utopian value.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When you say "Zionist supremacim", what exactly do you mean, buddy? Like, very very very precisely.

Also, am I right to understand that you consider ...Putin's Russia a country that we need to develop closer ties to? Like, this place?

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 days ago

Zionism has only considered colonialism in its quest for Palestinian land. Not purchases. The line for supremacism could be drawn there, or it could be set at refusal to stop colononialism and peace with Palestinians, or could be set at current genocidal levels.

What I meant by it specifically, is the pure zionist allegiance of all US elected politicians to Israel whatever its current agenda is. Zionist first rule over US, that extends to US first rule over Canada.

Russia a country that we need to develop closer ties to?

Instead of measuring a country by how much divisiveness they put up with, measure it in terms of corruption and submission to foreign powers. The danger for Canada is isolation based on "fantasy values purity" that never existed, and were always US projections to better control us.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Going full Tropic Thunder on

Is that leveraging the "I'm the dude playing the dude" bit? If so, brilliant.

In fact, this entire comment is excellent.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

You never go full tropic thunder if you want to get nominated for an award/taken seriously in life.

Thieving traitors have always told Canadians to fear that Russia is coming for our Arctic resources, in order to steal our tax money to defend from the phantom. Canada is far away. Russia would spend a lot to develop far away and then ship back to their home market. They would require absurdly expensive military defense of a resource development operation. Our waters have only ever needed defense from US fishing incursions. But if US had control over Canada, it won't be to gift it to Russia. That is a lie of such extreme absurdity as requiring full tropic thunder to say or believe it. Russia may have Arctic development expertise. They are cooperating with Chinese on projects in their waters. If they can help us (or USA), then great, they can help us. But that is only scenario (cooperation) they will ever be interested in. The damage in suggesting that Russia may be gifted our resources by Trump, is that Canadians only understand more war on Russia as the solution/distraction to US war on us.