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[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 48 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Its probably more difficult to block multiple mastodon instances than the single bluesky site.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 69 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

The problem isn't that the state is blocking it; its that they threatened to impose a $10,000 fine for each user who can access the site without first proving their age.

You can afford that risk if you live outside the US. Not if you're a US corporation

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 29 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

If a minor hosted their own instance for friends, would the state fine them $10,000/pop?

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Something I do wonder about these laws: could a person self-hosting a private fedi instance that only they have an account on, argue that they meet age verification requirements by virtue of personally knowing the age of the only user? Or at that point would the whole network of federated servers count as the "platform" rather than the instance?

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip -4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 14 points 18 hours ago

this doesn't kill the fediverse. mississippi can't do shit to you if you aren't in mississippi unless the state you're in agrees to cooperate with them. and that's only after they subpoena your hosting provider, which might not even cooperate with them at all if they are outside US jurisdiction. and if you go through cloudflare? that's another subpeona from a corporation that doesn't like revealing information about their users and has gone to federal court on many occasions to fight both state and federal governments.

any state that doesn't have one of these laws on the books is unlikely to decide to extradite you for something that isn't illegal where you live, especially since it's not a criminal charge.

[–] sep@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

I assume the hoster would know the age of his friends? Or is the law more spesific in how the verification must happen.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 33 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Also, a detail but:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/supreme-court-lets-mississippi-age-verification-law-go-into-effect-for

It's considered likely to be unconstitutional.

The ruling now allows Mississippi to enforce its social media law while case continues in the lower court. In the ruling, Kavanaugh also cited several district court rulings opposing similar age-verification laws, concluding that "the Mississippi law is likely unconstitutional."

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 26 points 19 hours ago

Don't think the constitution has mattered for a while, mate.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't SCOTUS recently uphold one of these age verification laws?

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago

For Porn sites only

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Does this law apply to all social media/social media-type sites, or only social media websites under the umbrella of the NetChoice group?

The articles on this are all frustratingly vague. Bluesky is not under NetChoice so I assume all social media sites will eventually be blocking MS IPs?

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 19 points 21 hours ago

My understanding is that it applies to every site which hosts any NSFW content, whether or not minors can access it

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 16 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

So I'm curious. If this law is in play in Mississippi now, are Mississippians being prompted for their ID on Discord, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit etc? I would check myself but my VPN doesn't have a Mississippi server.

If not, and they're not bothering, then why is Bluesky reacting like this specifically?

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Bluesky likely doesn't want to deal with the hassle and the percentage of users from the state that use it is so minimal they just don't view it as worthwhile.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 5 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I suppose it's more me being curious about why the bigger-boys aren't using age-ID there.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 12 points 18 hours ago

the "bigger-boys", as you put it, are currently fighting it together on appeal in a lawsuit. once the appeal is finished, it will probably head to the supreme court, where Kavanaugh has said it will likely be found unconstitutional.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 18 hours ago

They can afford the fines?

[–] percent@infosec.pub 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I kinda wish the big companies would do the same and just block the states that pass these laws. Like, the state just loses access to a big chunk of the internet as soon as the bill passes, prompting an uproar and a learning opportunity for those lawmakers.

Obviously that's probably unrealistic, but I can dream 🙂

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

PornHub blocked us in Florida.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I’m about ready to cancel my internet and buy a book. Maybe even go outside.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Extreme times, extreme measures...?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I really wish they'd stop calling it "age verification". It's "identity verification".

[–] tfm@europe.pub 2 points 1 hour ago

That would be too obvious

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You know the law must be bad if they block Mississippi due to this, but not the UK.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

With the UK, they can block content that's known to be NSFW. With Mississippi, they get fined if kids access the site at all if somebody else on there sees something NSFW.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 hours ago

Jesus christ, that's even worse.

[–] LemUser@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Didn't some woman shoot up Google headquarters because of some age verification process on YouTube where she specifically made makeup videos geared toward children and lost all her revenue or subscribers?

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 27 minutes ago

These laws will make Americans seek escape from empire monitoring through VPNs. Empire will coopt the VPNs and then democrats accessing Bluesky without identity verification will be charged with hacking crimes.