Nah, /e/os and GrapheneOS rule!
this post was submitted on 21 Aug 2025
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still better than ios lol
I'm an /e/os user and all I can say is even though it sucks the least among its competition, it STILL SUCKS! Not to downplay the immense effort put in by the devs and maintainers of course. Providing a privacy-respecting phone OS to ordinary people isn't just a good deed, it's necessary for a vibrant and diverse digital society. But still, we can all strive for better.
Define, "sucks"
The complaints I see about custom OS the most:
- Bank or payment apps don't work due to Play Integrity API (blame Google)
- Some other Google apps don't work correctly (well... duh)
- Obscure functionality that is usually overlooked or intentionally ignored, but is a complete dealbreaker for that user.
My banking app works on GrapheneOS. It didn't even need any of the compatibility settings to be turned. My experience has been smoother than the Android shipped with the device. I barely use Google apps apart from yt and haven't found any obscure issues yet. Is GrapheneOS just really good compared to others or did I get lucky with my bank and the features I use?
My bank app doesn't work with Graphene, which is a pain in the arse, but not the end of the world. I mean, they still have a website I can log into.
Oh, I need mine to verify who I am. I do the other things on the website vie my computer though.
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GrapheneOS has been working flawlessly for me for years. Highly recommend!
Just one problem. Both are still dependent on Google and Android-based. How sustainable is that security model when a company has the say-so over whether you get to flash your custom firmware next year, or the next year, or maybe the year after that?
Right! just look how locked down android has become since the early/mid 2000's.
You don't even have full control of your sd card anymore (if you're lucky enough to actually have a phone with an sd slot.)
Check out crDroid. I do not know how it's like to daily drive it, but afaik it's highly customizable.
Yep, they put in a lot of effort into the security and open source stuff, but at least on Graphene, the bundled apps are severely outdated aosp apps, they don't even support material you, meanwhile current aosp apps do support it, as can be seen on Lineage. The calculator app looks straight from Android 5 or probably earlier.
Tfw your Phone has no ROM and the stock one is trash.
I am currently considering switching to a 3rd custom rom on my xiaomi since both of the ones I have tried while better than the stock one by miles, seem to have no activity surrounding them (one was last updated almost 2 years ago and the one I am currently on has been updated in october).
Just sucks that its notsuch a mainline phone rhat gets lota of custom ROM support.
If it is LineageOS you can always pick up the build by yourself and create your own images you can flash. Follow the Build for yourself Link the the respective device page.
Main problem will be getting the binary blobs needed for your device as it requires a rooted device or a trusted source.
I know that someone already did a lineage OS release(the 2 year old one). Need to check the github but is there a chance those blobs could be found there?
Gabe please make Linux mobile phone.
Honestly I want Linux VOLTE so bad, the dream is to run sailfish os
I run SailfishOS and Australia mandates VoLTE now. It works.
Oh nice, I’m in America and stuck on Verizon for work. I really was hoping to see VOLTE hit the OP6T
I want this too but I don't get how you can call something like LineageOS dogshit.
It works perfectly.
I'm a desktop user mostly but my phone feels like the more polished experience
For sure. One or two super paranoid banking apps but literally everything else works great with microg.
I've even ditched microg a few years back.
Depending on your usage it might not be an option, but for me it didn't make any difference
Sounds like OP was using an unnofficial miui port or smth like that
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Came here to say the same thing. I'm very happy with sailfish OS since the first jolla phone came out (10+ years). I'm certainly not a power user though.
I had a great time (save for bugs) playing with a Sailfish OS 2(?) phone way back. Glad they're still kicking.
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Phosh has a great UI, I genuinely love it -- I'm just not thrilled by my phone's battery life when running any mobile linux
still better than ios lol
Yeah android has termux, termux is amazing, I run emacs in it and have all the power of org mode on my phone!
Yeah I am thinking of just don't care about phones. Just the cheapest second hand thing I can get for calls, sms, ssh, vlc.
Maps would be nice, OsmAnd crashes frequently (out of memory?) on the tablet I got second hand.
it's pretty weird that no company seems to have thought to just make a cheap minimal smartphone with a big battery and removable back cover, running a feature phone-esque modified android
feature phones just aren't really feasible to use for most people these days, but that doesn't mean the only alternatives have to be phones that try to wow you with 5 billion gigapixel AI enabled cameras
achtually, every Android phone is using the Linux kernel
achtually, every Android phone is using the Linux kernel
Yes and support for GNU/Linux applications is currently in beta.
We need custom hardware imo.
Graphene rules
I'm currently trying to decide between private and repairable. Pixel with Graphene or an HMD Skyline. Wish Fairphone was an option.
How's picture quality with Graphene? How big a downgrade is it from the one packed on the stock pixel?
I only use the camera for casual pictures and it's fine. It's still the same lenses and sensors after all. The camera app obviously isn't as all singing all dancing as stock but perfectly functional, has all the features you'd expect.
Right on, thanks for the reply.
I often have to snap tiny labels, have you had to do anything like that with yours?
You can use the stock Google Pixel camera app without Play Services or internet access, it will produce the same photos. Tje only thing that won't work is the small image preview at the bottom left with the last image you took, clicking on it will just tell you that Google Photos is not installed.
The GrapheneOS camera app is probably the best FOSS (sleek/minimal) camera app I've ever used, image quality isn't quite at stock Pixel level, but still pretty good, actually.
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It pains me to say, but the stock Google camera app is by far and away the best option I've yet found on Graphene. Which has to pair with the Photos app, or you can't actually do anything with the photos it takes.
However, you don't have to sync either with Google (though you do have to sign in), you can set Graphene to only allow them access to the folder they need (while they think they have wider access), and you can turn off network permission.
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I’m only using iOS because android is worse. Neither of them make me happy. IOS is just less terrible than Android.
The problem with a Linux phone is that there’s no market for it, and developing one is only possible if you fundamentally change what a Linux phone means thereby ruining it but getting profitability and therefore carrier support and manufacturer profitability.
We don’t get what we want. They do.
Basically this. I use my phone as a tool and Linux phones don’t have the toolset for me to be satisfied. Like NFC payment, online banking and GPS tracking. Android does have the toolset but I’d like to keep my phone 5 years and longer. Currently rocking an iPhone 14 Pro and I plan on changing it with the iPhone 20 or 30 or however they call that one on 5 years.
There's also LineageOS after support. Still immutable done bad, but the toolset works.
me too
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