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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 240 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Mildly interesting" is not very close to my reaction to this at all, rather something closer to "particularly concerning"

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets. Plenty of “opinion disguised as news” to go around these days.

[–] DwZ@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets

You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. Mississippi Today. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. The Walrus. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart.

Also, if a journalist writes bullshit, they lose their job. It's career suicide.

The way to assess the credibility of a journalist is easy. Just look at their past articles. Their articles usually follow them for their entire career.

If someone on social media spreads bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

If someone on social media spreads total bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.

Thats not true. They become president.

You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart

And how much of the market do these networks control? Just because there are non profits available doesn't negate their claim.

Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It's career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career. So they have to be careful.

Depending on what network they are submitting their work to.... It's not like "journalists" on Fox News are being shamed for submitting fake stories.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 100 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Before online influencers, it was AM radio.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Which only reached middle aged and older men who drove a lot

Edit: I don't get the downvotes. In AM radio's heyday, pre-2000, women and younger people were not listening to it at all. Older men were the target demographic. Of course everyone had access to radios, but women and younger people were listening to FM, not Rush Limbaugh. And at home, AM was never on unless you were in a very rural area and an AM station was your only choice.

[–] Xhead@lemmings.world 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

You know some people really show their age when they talk about the past..

Their were just as many radios as we have TVs now back in the day

[–] protist@mander.xyz 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Being someone from back in the day, yes, I remember. And back then the dominant demographic who tuned in to AM talk radio like Rush Limbaugh were white men driving for work. There were just as many TVs around pre-2000, too, we're not talking about the 60s...

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 70 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Social media was a mistake.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Social media is a tool that could just as easily be used for the betterment of humankind.

Sadly, that doesn't make a few people lots and lots of money, so it doesn't happen.

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[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 47 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Feels weird to include Noah and Carlson but not include Jon Stuart, Stephen Colbert, or John Oliver.

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[–] bigboismith@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

ThE LeFt cOntRols The nArAtiVe

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[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago (12 children)

Asmongold...you have got to be shitting me. imagine getting your "news" from a guy that used a dead rat as an alarm clock, wipes the blood from his gums on his bedroom wall, used to routinely eat snacks that had maggots in them, and treats drinking water like it's poison.

A guy who could barely play WoW and left his main account on twitch because making money from viewers on that was "too stressful" proceeds to start an alt channel where he nows grifts the right for money.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Lying is easy and takes less time. Real news requires going places, interviewing people, fact checking, and presenting it in a professional manner.

It's no wonder the right wing media ecosystem is bigger.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Lying is easy and takes less time.

A lot of these shows go hand-in-glove with traditional media. The police-blotter style coverage of local news, wherein a handful of old white people bemoan the latest string of young black man violent crimes gets picked up and fed into the Podcast Racism Engine and spat out as the show's Two-Minute Hate of the day.

Then you have a congo-line of ex-military blowhards telling you how they got rich trading in their service pensions for crypto futures. You have the usual suspects lineup of incel sex pests complaining that America's Newest Supermodel isn't hot enough or isn't Trad Enough, in between reading sponsor copy for whatever PR company paid them to say said Supermodel's name twenty times in a given episode. You have interviews with C-list politicians who come on the show to cry about how you can't say the N-word anymore, on account of the Woke. You have middling athletes at the end of their careers complain about how Transgender high schoolers are ruining the sport. You have middling songwriters at the end of their careers complain about how they pay too much in taxes and hate all three of their ex-wives. You have middling screenwriters demo a pilot episode of a cartoon series about Real Americans forced to use pronouns at gunpoint, then point you to the conservative version of Kickstarter with the promise of a full series that'll never get produced once they have your money. And holy shit will you get an earful about Jesus.

All this takes a bunch of time and networking and tons of money to grease the wheels. Charlie Kirk ain't doing this shit for free. But it's stacked up like any classic MLM, with the kingpins racking in disproportionately more than any of their minions or guests.

It's short-sighted to say these operations are just faster than traditional journalism, though. Lots of the names on that board have been bouncing around for decades. This is a long term, heavily financed, hugely lucrative propaganda machine. It dates back to the Nixon Era (arguably earlier) and quite a few folks have gone to their graves helping to build it.

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[–] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 week ago

Would be interesting to see a funding source overlay on this

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 27 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I find it interesting - and a little concerning - that there are so many more right-leaning voices than left. I have to ask a simple question - why has the left not produced more strident voices and more people able to make popular content?

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The left doesn’t need their opinions constantly validated by personalities. The left enjoys (and understands) satire more. Voices like Colbert, and Jon Stewart, and John Oliver.

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Are my eyes failing me, or are they not in the chart?

Having a hard time pre-deciding who and what content I think should appear in such a chart. Vlog brothers? e-newspapers?

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[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

I mean personally my beliefs are really straight forward. I don't need influencers it's only complicated when you're internally dishonest and insecure.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm left leaning, however the only time I've watched Brian Taylor Cohen or Midastouch was because I got click-bated into watching what became a hyperbolic video subject.

After the first 5 minutes, when the facts become opinions, I immediately switch off. I simply hate fake shit.

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[–] WhatThaFudge@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is this graph supposed to be useful in any way? It excludes a huge number of voices from the left and also have a bunch of circles without names and just some random 1.1m or 2m NR on them but without any indication of who they represent more than their color.

[–] OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I don't understand why bubbles with seemingly random positions was chosen to represent this data.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They get funding, that much is obvious. It was the same story with the Nazis who got massive support from obvious sources.

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[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

Not sure I trust the methodology here. I would've expected shows like The Ezra Klein Show or Pod Save America to be fairly big on the left here (and on the Apple Podcast charts, TEKS is ahead in rank of some that are listed here, PSA not far behind).

The description of the methodology is not very clear. For example, it's unclear what they consider a "show", what their search strategy was to arrive at their initial list of shows, and how the raters determined whether a show was leaning left or right (i.e., some of this is described but not in a way that would make it reproducible, and there seems to be some gut feel involved). The exclusion of shows produced by TV stations makes sense but excludes more left- than rightwing sources.

I don't doubt that right-wing shows have the upper hand in the non-traditional media market and agree this is a problem, but this project may be exaggerating the difference a bit.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reagan was President when I was a kid. America is right-wing as Hell and always has been.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Wow. How are Colbert and John Oliver not on that graphic? Meanwhile, I don't think I've ever watched more than three or four YouTube clips of Trevor Noah.

Oh god, am I old?

Also, it sucks that Brand's a right-winger. There was a time when I thought his heart was somewhat in the right place even if the execution was... questionable.

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The young turks turned far right over night once Harris lost.

[–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Last I saw them was them saying the left needs to start treating trans people shittier because my"most Americans are transphobic" and if we ever want to win an election again, we have to be transphobic.

As a trans person myself dating another trans person, where are we supposed to go?

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[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

To those asking about the imbalance— it’s money. Just like older forms of media (print, radio, tv) there’s much deeper pockets for right-wing “funding” than on the left. And many left leaning outlets/personalities will turn down cash flows that might limit their control over their content. Follow the money. Always.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's not just money, it's the fact that leftists tear down other leftists more than they tear down right wing posts

The right doesn't have this problem

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[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 days ago (4 children)

TYT is left? Excuse the fuck out of me? Lmfao last I heard TYT was russia funded

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[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

So many masterdebaters

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Seeing TYT "left-leaning" saddens me. If they were left-leaning, they are not anymore.

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Lotta fucking idiots on that chart.

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[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Anger and outrage sell, and the shows that lean more to the right are the ones that draw most heavily on those two emotions.

We need more outrage on the left, but it's harder to come by because it frightens the rich who own all media companies.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The left has a communication problem, all around the world. Right/conservative types seem very good at breaking their ideas down to very simple messages, and progressive types just don't seem to be able to communicate in that way.

[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

Well, that is easier to do when their news dont need to follow reality, and their solutions don't need to work or make sense

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[–] VerseAndVermin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is important to mind the small text, showing where the data came from. Subscribers and followers on YouTube, Spotify, Rumble, Twitch, Kick, Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

This is me. I get my news from Lemmy, a dude in New Z̶e̶e̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ Zealand , and a gardener in Oregon.

Sometimes a lady in Florida that owns a shed.

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[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Right leaning folks LOVE to have their views validated. Left leaning folks will listen but don't constantly need validation. Easy.

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[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Fun fact:

The Right owns online discussion because the left doesn't support itself or really even engage meaningfully in significant numbers

So when Right posts, they only get flack from some left

When Left posts, they get flack from ALL right AND MOST of the left as well

Since most sites use popularity voting for visibility, this means in every case this gives the right significant more reach

Stop tearing down your leftist fellows, you won't tho

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[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I will never understand how anyone can listen to Theo Von or Lex Fridman without losing thousands of brain cells per second.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Hm, "newspaper" vs "online influencers". Can't newspapers be called "offline influencers"? This is how propaganda works, folks. Or are newspapers all online now too?

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

This would be more representative as a venn diagram because a lot of those numbers overlap.

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