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[–] 332@feddit.nu 142 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.

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[–] Mavytan@feddit.nl 101 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Ugh, this shit again...

Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?

[–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] katkit@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago

Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don't even know him and he's just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.

[–] PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 4 points 17 hours ago

Thank you for helping us stop chat control! We from the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this!

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 26 points 1 day ago

Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.

[–] PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 5 points 17 hours ago

Well we in the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this! We have been fighting since the beginning against Chat Control! Feel free to DM me and I can even try to find a Pirateparty near you or atleast a party who are aligned similarly!

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's not the EU yet. It's a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn't even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn't mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

What activists? I need their names, for personal research reasons.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

but so far nothing happened

Things happens frighteningly fast these days. It's not a matter of being complacent; it's a matter of budding things in the nip. Which won't work. Then tirelessly fight back against it.

Unless you've been sleeping under a rock these last few… weeks. Not even months. Some legislation can go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly if left unchecked.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago

That's due to the limitation at the time.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Their kind never leaves the chat, it's a professional habit

[–] krigo666@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Zak@lemmy.world 76 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you're a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won't.

It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Thank god my OS doesn't care about EU regulation

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Your OS doesn't, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.

And no, you can't convince them to switch messager, I tried.

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Is the EU not subject to GDPR?

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 6 points 1 hour ago

Rules are for the people, not governments

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

The EU decides what's GDPR. And it seems recently it decided to not be buggered by those old ideas that are privacy, freedom, etc.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

So, need a non-homicidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then...

[–] PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So Canada?

(They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they've come a long way in the last few decades.)

[–] buffing_lecturer@leminal.space 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.

As for data safety, its not looking too great: https://tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance

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[–] mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

...run a country by myself? I suppose it's possible.

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Compelling search engines to deindex results, age verification, chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The fuck is happening over there? Was there lead in the water?

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Authoritarianism, duh. It’s a global thing.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You're answering the how, but I'm asking for the why. 😅

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Financial issues among the general populace due to consolidation of wealth > oligarchs create propaganda that brown people are to blame > uneducated masses vote for authoritarians with empty promises

It's the same program human civilisation has know for millenia

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago

Evil people doing evil things because they’re evil. They want more than they have any right to and are willing to throw everyone else under the bus.

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[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago
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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.

[–] oppy1984@lemdro.id 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they'll say the same for the EU.

Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don't start blocking by phone number alone.... and hopefully they'll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.

Also, welcome to Signal!

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 20 hours ago

you know this means they get the keys, right?

[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

Let us know when it's ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.

[–] alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago

The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.

[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I'm starting to edit idcaboutprivacy more and more often (and that's not a good thing)

[–] dynamoMaus@feddit.org 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I like the comapirson i heared at Anne Roths(https://systemli.social/@anneroth) talk(German):

You would never say: I don't need free speech because I have nothing to say. Everyone profits from data privacy and free speech and some people are depending on their life on it.

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[–] sircac@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

This is not the Europe I remember...

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