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[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 181 points 3 days ago (6 children)

In dry bureaucratic language, the memo outlines a plan to revoke citizenship from the children of both immigrants who lack permanent legal status and many lawful residents, including visa holders, Dreamers, and asylum-seekers. It envisions intrusive federal review of parents’ papers—quite possibly in the hospital, before or shortly after birth—to gauge the newborn’s legal status. And it paves the way for people who spend their entire lives in the United States to be deported to countries in which they’ve never stepped foot, or to be condemned to the limbo of statelessness.

I wonder how Marco Rubio feels about this. Neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the U.S.. Perhaps he'll be deported to Cuba?

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 104 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Logically, this combined with their insistence that they can revoke legal status means that no one's citizenship is guaranteed. Everyone born in the US is descended from people who weren't citizens. And those who went through a process to become citizens can apparently have that yanked away if the current administration get its way.

If I were the next president and had to try and undo the damage these fascists are inflicting, I'd start by deporting the bastards behind this shit in all three branches of government, starting with the the Supreme Court. Maybe just drop them all off in Antarctica.

[–] tortina_original@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why Antarctica? What's wrong with Sudan or El Salvador? 😜

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

Rules for thee... not for me.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Selective enforcement. Well who knows, they'll have AI crawling the data

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[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 102 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This gets my 'I'm too scared to read' award for the day

[–] toomanypancakes@piefed.world 52 points 3 days ago

It's pretty vile. I don't blame you.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Read it and prepare to fight it. These cowards expect us to cower and hide. Resist.

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 22 points 3 days ago

You are most correct. We can no longer look away from the atrocities and hope they stop. Today all decent folks must be soldiers for humanity Thank you comrade

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 101 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Wait... I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn't citizenship be determined at that time, then?

They can't even get their own story straight.

Almost like they never actually cared and were just lying to manipilate you, or something!

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 34 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Life begins at the moment of insertion.

Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.

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[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.

The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don't need to be consistent, it is all about "winning" to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to "win".

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 83 points 3 days ago (14 children)

With this all out attack on American Citizens. It makes me wonder, if we're their enemy, who are their allies? And also why aren't more Heritage Foundation buildings and Republican Offices on fire?

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because the people that hate republicans are usually moral people and wreaking havoc and mayhem isn’t something we usually do.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 days ago (3 children)

You're going to have to because walking around with signs isn't going to stop this.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Their allies? White Racists, neo-Nazis, everyone who wants a dictatorship and the Russians. All of them are worthless shits.

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[–] Lvdwsn@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Hmm who has well documented ties to this administration and would be happy with the downfall of America as a world power? This is one I’ll have to Putin the ol’ think tank for a while

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 75 points 3 days ago (5 children)

What's his plan to release the Epstein files?

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is the actual point

DO NOT LET HIM DISTRACT US FROM THE EPSTEIN FILES WITH THIS CRAZY PLAN

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 69 points 3 days ago (26 children)

This crap has to be part of Krasnov’s mission to weaken and dismantle the US.

The entire developed world has fertility rates well below population maintenance levels. Countries are going to need to attract immigrants to keep their work forces and tax bases stable, never mind growing them.

The USA is going to have problems attracting immigrants for decades if not generations, unless some crazy shit unexpectedly changes for the better with our government.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Or we could shift to systems that don't require us to be cancer.

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[–] toppy@lemy.lol 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

People will still come to USA. Even if trump discontinues birth right citizenship people from third world countries will still want to come to USA whether illegally or legally. The thing is by denying citizenship to immigrants trump will be able to create an army of cheap labours and companies will pay him a lot more for those labourers. Because if you are illegal immigrant and want work to help your family at home you will be willing to do anything. That's what trump and his friends want. They will hire cheap labour, pay very less, exploit excessively and then escape from the clutches of the law.

[–] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 15 points 2 days ago

This is enlightening on this dark, fascist move. It's a bureaucratic way to implement slavery. Keep these humans on a knife's edge to control them. Deport them or threaten to deport them at any time, to a foreign or domestic concentration camp where a corporation can leech off their family or the government to pay for their incarceration. Krasnov the Donvict indeed. This gets more dystopian the more I think about it. Their greed is an endless abyss of depravity. It's like they're controlled by a person with the human values of a diabolical pedo.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 61 points 3 days ago (6 children)

None of that explains how they plan to get around the Constitution, though...which is very clear in its interpretation.

[–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 138 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Simple. Ignore it and own enough judges that any cases get killed.

Woo fascism. 😐

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

In my mind that would open the door to forgetting some other constitutionally defined things. Like, who is a President.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

He's already broken the constitution like a dozen times, and he's still president. Fascists do not relinquish power without force.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 18 points 3 days ago

"Rules for thee, not for me!"

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 43 points 3 days ago

"What are you going to do about it?".

Just like everything else he does

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (4 children)

In June, however, the Supreme Court expressly permitted the government to begin “developing and issuing public guidance about the executive’s plans to implement” Trump’s order. Acting on that decision, an immigration agency released the first stage of its “implementation plan” last Friday.

From the article. This is basically their plan for once the Supreme Court allows it.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The court didn't actually rule that Trump's changes to birthright citizenship are legal, they only ruled that the lower courts couldn't issue nationwide injunctions to stop him.

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[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago (12 children)

You're forgetting something: laws and constitutions don't matter unless those in charge of enforcing it agree with it.

Enforcing laws, the Constitution, judgements from judges - all that is done by the executive.

When there's a fascist corrupt executive function, you get selective enforcement and convenient ignoring of parts of the law, serving the double effect of 1) keeping the corrupt executive in power and in control and 2) discrediting the institutions, furthering the corruption.

Yay.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Conservatism: where suffering and pain is the purpose.

It’s become a cult of evil.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Under these rules, Trump himself isn't a citizen

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago

And his, ahem, 'wife' is definitely not.

Here's another thing to think about... This is another distraction because the obese tangerine is on the Epsteins kiddie fiddling list. He's a convicted rapist and rapes children.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Hitler didn't have blonde hair either

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[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 36 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Wow, what an "efficient" way to ruin people's lives. For no reason but the cruelty itself. The UN list of human rights has been ignored completely by most, if not all countries. But everybody is supposed to be entitled to a nationality. Otherwise, where the hell are you going to live? A small uninhabited unowned island? Antarctica? So, in a disturbingly normal turn of events, the government has infringed upon its residents human rights.

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[–] LostWanderer@fedia.io 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This horrific and vile, this is why I wish we could've gotten a different outcome with the election. More horrible news to add onto an ever-growing pile of shit. I wish my mom would've chosen to divorce my dad and took us to Germany...Fleeing this rotting nation would've been a boon!

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 23 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The UK and Australia have been infringing upon trans rights and free speech recently. Makes me think this might be a return to the Western world's roots. Hopefully, Ireland will be left alone for once, I can move there, and become an alcoholic.

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[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (14 children)

But we saved Gaza by not electing Kamala. Didn’t we? The internet told me so.

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

So if as an American, you were to lose your documentation, unless you are lily white, you can be contained by ICE.

Be scared.

I see withholding licenses and registrations as a tactic pigs are going to use in the future.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, ICE can still detain you if you’re lily white. Race is only an excuse to get started; they will deport dissidents with this eventually.

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[–] Eh_I@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump just released Miller's plan

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Italian plumbers need to pay that cucked pedophile a visit

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They will steal America and imprison, kill or deport anyone who they don't like. How many steps to fascism before enough people act?

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At some point the people will unify on a single point : demand the administration resign in entirety

Until we do that and March coast to coast saying the same simple message this won’t end

“You’re fired”

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It looks Republicans want to just shuttle them around like they do with homeless people, rounding them up from red states, dumping them in blue states, and pretending they solved a problem.

Fine, let's play this game. Trump rounds up citizens he dislikes, pretends they aren't american citizens, ships them off to other countries who then say "these aren't our citizens so we're shipping them back." It's cruel, which he's okay with, but also expensive because they will constantly be sent back to the US to deal with, which is expensive and the costs will only grow since there is no real plan to deal with them. Costs can be used to hurt him politically.

So what's the point? You cant just put people in other countries, say "not it" and walk away.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One benefit of birthright citizenship is its egalitarian simplicity: The only thing most people need to prove that they’re American is a birth certificate. Those lucky enough to be born here receive equality under the law from their very first breath. Trump seeks to replace that system with a caste-based vision of national identity in which every parent must provide documentation to secure their children’s fundamental rights.

Would it be correct to describe this as "apartheid"?

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