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‘The tyranny of apps’: those without smartphones are unfairly penalised, say campaigners (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I for one cheer and root for my flip phone friends.

I'd never do it, but we have one at work and he's singlehandedly causing so much grief at work. Because none of the engineers wanna use a security app for login. They want a fob.

IT refuses to pay for fobs and wants us to use an app, but they also don't want to pay for a phone for anyone in engineering just to use the security app because it opens a floodgate of people with company phones.

It's just wonderful to watch this fight from the sidelines sipping tea.

[–] commander@lemmings.world -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I for one cheer and root for my flip phone friends.

Why are you cheering for a lack of self-control?

Smartphones are great. You just need to be smart enough to not let them use you.

It should put into perspective who is a useful idiot, and who is not.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These useless apps make Linux phone adoption harder, fuck them!

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

that is your takeaway? You're part of a cult if that's really how you think.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Part of a cult for wanting more options...

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz -1 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Not more options, you want your option to win.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am still on a flip phone. It is usually silent, and I don't spend much time with it at all. While I am missing out on discounts and such, I simply hate the idea of constantly using a phone. Email is my telecommunication of choice, but receptionists don't understand the idea, unfortunately.

My household bought a Rinnai water heater, and the bastard needed a phone to set the temperature. Thing is, it couldn't communicate with the two or three phones that were used on it. Fortunately, there was an old-school modification for a physical keypad, but that had to be bought separately.

Phones are just not my thing.

[–] commander@lemmings.world -1 points 4 months ago

Smartphones are objectively better than flip phones.

The flip phone praise comes from useful idiots looking up to children who lack self-control.

It's all bass-ackwards, but that's how far we've strayed from the truth.

The powers that be are happy, though. We're just not one of them.

[–] novacomets@lemmy.myserv.one -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I'm open to hear if you guys disagree with me, but that is not simply about not having a smartphone as much as it is about not having cell service, not using data service. If a person uses a libre VoIP app, there is no need for cell service, and people actually can live happy lives disconnected from internet when they are outside or in public.

Society must revert their mentality and not expect constant immediate access to everything. Absolutely nothing happens on the internet for personal activity that can't wait a few hours or the next day.

I use phone only for direct communication, zero multimedia, zero social media on phone. Everything else is done on computer. Especially banking, that is on computer website only for security, never on phone. I despise and resent using a phone for websites

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Society must revert their mentality and not expect constant immediate access to everything. Absolutely nothing happens on the internet for personal activity that can’t wait a few hours or the next day.

yeah ok so, counterpoint, you pull up to an EV charging station (it's tesla because of course it's tesla) please show me where the card reader is. I'll wait.

oh but what about the non tesla charging stations you might say. those are still iffy right now, i'm hopeful they'll improve in the future, but a lot of them have readers (that may or may not work) and a phone app (that may or may not work) also whose to say they don't just fucking disappear.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Bad example. Tesla chargers don’t use an app, they assume you have an account set up with a credit card on file. Most people do that through the app but I don’t think you have to. Once it’s set up, it just works with no further interaction.

Or are you doing this as a non-Tesla customer? Yeah that’s not as smooth yet

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Bad example.

what are you going to do setup android emulation so you can install the tesla app (which might not work in emulation because that's sus, but maybe they dont have good security anyway lmao) sure, you can set it up once, but like, what do you do if your credit card is cancelled, or the app suddenly stops accepting purchases because "you haven't been online in a week" and it's for "security purposes" or some other stupid shit like that. This is the entire reason card based payment exists lmao. Why are we just reinventing it.

i guess theoretically if it's a webapp you could do it on the browser, but then like, how is it going to link information back to you personally? Unless you own a tesla, where you basically just save your payment info on the car directly at that point. Maybe they will invent credit card 2 electric boogaloo. Are they going to start installing NFC/RFID into charging ports for payment link info? Seems silly to me.

If you own a non tesla, this is as you mentioned, a huge issue, considering that NACS is the charging standard for all of north america now.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Worst case scenario, call support to put a credit card on file with your account. This is what I did when I ran into problems with the app (turns out I was too eager trying to use it before they were done setting me up).

When you use a supercharger, at least as a Tesla, there is a handshake where your car identifies what account to use, then it just works

You definitely lose a lot of convenience features if you don’t use the app, but I believe you can do it, if you want it enough

Edit: just use a web browser. I verified I can login through my web browser to manage my account, my products, my payment method. Not the car features though. I have no idea if this is new, but just use any web browser

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i'm really not sure how the non tesla super charger experience looks, that concerns me. Though i assume that must be a somewhat solve problem, if people are using it so.

just use a web browser. I verified I can login through my web browser to manage my account, my products, my payment method. Not the car features though. I have no idea if this is new, but just use any web browser

that's good, there should definitely be some available features for the card, but you can at least handle payment. Though i would still prefer not needing to provide my payment info to a third party anywhere except for time of transaction. Just opens me up to more bullshit.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

For sure. Most of my objection is when the purpose is automatic renewal of subscriptions (which ought to be treated as a type of theft because it’s non consensual stealing my money), and at least it’s not that.

My credit card does rotate the numbers a bit but I keep meaning to find one that can generate different virtual cards per service so I can turn a virtual card off when they get abusive with it or when they leak it

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[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is more about being able to constantly spy on everyone. Funny how this exact sentence would have labeled one as a conspiracy nut not too long ago.

Constantly online means constant (more or less) analytics, means constant data to throw in the big computer to make you buy more shit or vote for the shit party.

[–] novacomets@lemmy.myserv.one -3 points 4 months ago

I think I would agree due to when I have been sitting in public somewhere with others sitting around, they have clearly been programmed by their phone, subservient to their master. I do also wonder if there is an IQ element to it. Having a lower level of personal intelligence so they have been conned into believe that they must have a phone that is connected to internet at all times everywhere.

Spend 2 months without cell service, without mobile service, and you will see how far gone many, many people are. I'm fully serious about live without cell service for 2 months, the world does not look the way you think it does.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If a person uses a libre VoIP app, there is no need for cell service

I don't follow. Don't you need internet for VoIP? Unless the point is to have a phone that gets zero connection while outside a wifi, which sounds kinda pointless?

[–] novacomets@lemmy.myserv.one -2 points 4 months ago

Correct, use VoIP with wi-fi service instead of cell and data. It also makes the calls untraceable for location for best privacy practices. There's no way to trace where in the world a phone is if using wi-fi to call standard phone numbers. For personal calling, not a work phone, some people don't care about messages and calling when they are out walking, shopping, attending events. They want to focus on the real world around them, not phone stuff.

[–] Amoxtli@thelemmy.club -4 points 4 months ago

Get out of the stone age.

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