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The U.S. Department of Justice is ramping up its case against Google's alleged monopoly, suggesting the government could eventually force the company to sell its widely-used Chrome browser. The move is part of the DoJ's push to challenge Google's hold over the digital advertising and search engine markets.

The Justice Department's latest legal action accuses Google of engaging in anticompetitive behavior by unfairly using its dominance in search and advertising to prop up its other services, most notably Chrome. The government argues that Google's browser and vast data ecosystem have given the company an outsized advantage over competitors, stifling innovation and harming consumers. By bundling Chrome with its Android operating system, Google has built an extensive network that could limit consumer choice and make it difficult for smaller firms to compete.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 224 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I guess Google didn’t bribe hard enough

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are still Trump critics on YouTube.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 33 points 1 week ago

It's not done yet. I highly doubt it ever will be either.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 153 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Justice Department is 100% lobbing this over to JD Vance's buddy Peter Thiel who's going to enshittify it even further and turn it with its massive install base into a tool for techno-fascism.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I must say that, as a European using a Firefox fork for my daily browsing while waiting for Ladybird, I don't see that outcome as completely negative: Google, somehow, in America has kept a completely unjustified good vibes feeling surrounding itself, while Thiel is much more evil in the public eye.

If Chrome is associated with him in anyway it can become a more lucid image of itself.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I really don't think this is true. It might push some politically engaged users to Firefox, but unlike Musk, most people don't know who Thiel is, and as long as he keeps it that way, nobody will care.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's when we come onto the scene.

I am continuously "translating" news and opinions from here on LinkedIn. Already got banned from a professional Slack that contains most people in my industry for saying in a private conversation that I like watermelon.

Not gonna stop. People are not politically inclined because we kept our knowledge to ourselves for too long.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For a second, I read your fruit predilection literally and was like, "Is…watermelon controversial, now? Are they [the people who banned you] cartoonishly racist?"

I follow you, now; sucks but expected…

[–] nodiratime@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I still don't get it, can you clue me in?

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah; of course. Ze's referencing supporting Palestine (as the watermelon became more widely recognized as a symbol for them due to recent events).

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

FF depends on google ad money, thats why FF is currently enshittifying right now.

[–] green@feddit.nl 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Acceleration-ism does not work.

If the USA has not taught you this, after this reckless takeover, nothing will save you.

The more likely outcome is for Chrome to become a North Korea RedStar equivalent, where you cannot freely access the internet without Chrome. And if you visit a resource with wrongspeak, the resource will have all its finances taken away (see the legislation surrounding section 230); with you being sent to El Salvador.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please, do it! That's going to eviscerate Chrome's userbase and push these Chromium browsers to fork so fast it'll make his head spin.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're putting way too much faith in the typical consumer. Enshittifying Chrome even more would piss its users off, but inertia and its market dominance would keep most of them continuing to use it while complaining about how bad it is.

Remember: It took 8 years for Chrome to drag Internet Explorer to the point where less than 10% of people actually used it. And that's with Firefox already being a competitor to it for years.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Why, what, is there something different about the Google guy?

collapsed inline media

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Look at all their lips. See how they look like they are ready to kiss or suck something? Now look at Pichai. Just smiling instead of getting ready to receive a load. He bent the knee, but not far enough.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that's probably the difference

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[–] josefo@leminal.space 9 points 6 days ago

I'll go and risk "shade of skin". He is also smiling an looks a little less as a Bond villain, but I go with the shading.

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[–] fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

Which tech company would buy Chrome from Google? I just can't think of a single tech company that could be an improvement over Google owning Chrome.

  • Amazon

  • Apple

  • Meta

  • Microsoft

  • Oracle

What about media companies? I don't see consumers benefiting from this.

  • Comcast

  • Disney

  • Netflix

  • Viacom

What about telecom? I still don't see consumers benefiting from this.

  • AT&T

  • T-Mobile

  • Verizon

What about foreign companies? Will they be even allowed to buy Chrome? I'm not sure.

  • LG

  • Philips

  • Samsung

  • Sony

The more I think about it, this won't end well.

[–] jackyard@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Chromium is already there and companies like Microsoft have their own forks so... Yeah I think there's no point of buying Chrome.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

It's the most popular web browser in the world. Direct access to the browser windows and browsing data of the majority of Internet users would be the point.

[–] rhadamanth_nemes@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Sell it to IBM so they can end all support lol

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 6 days ago (2 children)

the doj doesn't care about monopolies; the doj just wants to punish people who don't push fascist agendas.

[–] RightEdofer@lemmy.ca 32 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Google’s ad network and YouTube are pushing the agenda more than pretty much everyone.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Solution: Create an open source foundation, cram the board with Google employees

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[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Microsoft Chrome

Meta Chrome

Amazon Chrome

Apple Chrome

Sell to who though

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] josefo@leminal.space 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I really want to downvote you just for the idea. Wow

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

ByteDance shell company Chrome.

[–] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago

A direct “donation” to Trump would instantly fix this.

[–] barkingspiders@infosec.pub 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think this is good news which seems hard to believe right now. I'm sure someone will find a way to make this terrible but on it's face we are watching an important anti-trust ruling take place. Google's monopoly on the browser is dangerous and unhealthy. Taking it away from them is absolutely the right thing to do. Who inherits the power over the single browser used by most of the world remains to be seen though.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Who inherits the power over the single browser used by most of the world remains to be seen though.

Probably Musk or Thiel.

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[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Google should do the power play and completely open source the browser.

[–] madis@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago

But Chrome is already just Chromium with some binary blobs. Chromium itself even has sync and Google services at this point.

Besides, what would that change in regards to who develops it?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

I'd cheer if I thought this was anything except a blackmail play when a Trump administration is now involved. They'll buy him off and it'll all be back to status quo by fall.

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Thus the price of collaboration. You are not rewarded, you simply draw attention to yourself as someone with wealth they can pillage.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

or pay a generous fee of %0.00001 of your yearly earnings to make it go away

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don’t really get what selling Chrome and Android would accomplish. I’m all for breaking up tech monopolies but both of those projects are mostly open source that get proprietary Google crap and (for Android, at least, some monopolistic behavior like requiring what’s preinstalled, which is fine to ban).

I don’t work on ad-supported projects so I may be out of my element but it seems like what would actually help end the monopolistic behavior is requiring Google (and Facebook) to spin off their ad network businesses. The monopoly problem isn’t Chromium or AOSP or that Google runs ad-supported search. It’s that if [insert random site] wants ads, they typically use AdSense. If Facebook and Google want to run ad-supported services, fine. But they shouldn’t also also be the middlemen for advertisers who want to run ads on third party sites. That’s a recipe for monopolistic behavior.

In my ideal world, there would be no targeted ads at all and advertisers had to sponsor — and were so partly responsible for — the specific content they want to be associated with. But that probably isn’t going to happen since every politician is an advertiser that wants to launder their sponsorships through a middleman.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

I don’t really get what selling Chrome and Android would accomplish.

There was a leak of Google's old page ranking algorithm (not PageRank, but how they change the order of results on search) - it looked like they used a bunch of signals from Chrome about the amount of time users spend on a page, how quickly they go back, etc. Chrome gives the search side of the business an advantage.

Conversely, Android feeds a bunch of extra data to the ad business about what people do in real life.

Both products give the rest of Alphabet a significant advantage over their competitors, and make it harder for new entrants to get a foothold.

requiring Google (and Facebook) to spin off their ad network businesses

That is their business. Everything else exists to bring more value to that business:

  • AOSP - ads in the browser (search engine) and app store
  • Chrome - ads in the search engine, and nudge people toward other Google products to hoover up data to serve more ads

And so on. Google and Meta are ad companies that drive traffic to their ads through software services.

The point in forcing them out of certain businesses is to open them up to more competition. They can keep ad margins high due to sheer volume of eyeballs coming from their other services. Gutting those services means they need to provide better value to stay competitive.

Idk if it'll work, but stripping out the browser is likely good overall for the open web.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Spinning them off into their own independent companies would make more sense than a sale to another party.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 week ago

Google gets to control the source code, what additions are added, and what features don't get into it.

Yes technically some organization could fork it and then maintain a fork themselves. But it's a huge undertaking that almost nobody has the money to fund. Browsers are free so there's really not a lot of monetization schemes for browsers.

So nobody as far as I know has really been able to maintain a hard fork of chromium for very long. Remember, every change you make then has to be maintained by you and then you have to keep it up to date with the chromium master tree while also keeping all of your changes compatible. It is a big undertaking almost as big as modern operating systems. Browsers are just too complicated so Google in this position does still have a monopoly that's very hard to fight.

Almost all browsers other than Safari and Firefox are based on Chromium, which gives Google a ton of control.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

It would be better to not allow Google to have a major stake in the control of the Chromium project itself. Same for Android, force them to spin AOSP off into a nonprofit or sell it to EFF or something and forbid them from having a huge stake in it.

Let them use it for their own products, but remove their financial influence over the underlying software.

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