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Manosphere influencers are making classrooms a nightmare. Here's why (rachelgilmore.substack.com)

submitted 2 days ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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[–] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Is your Tate the part between your bum and your balls?

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like Voldemort on the back of prof. Quirrells head except...

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Voldemort on Quirrels head:

"let me see him!"

Quirrel:

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago

I'm howling - thanks for the laugh

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

It Taint

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This might be a kind of unpopular opinion but in a way I'm glad that schools are going to have to confront this issue. They're very well placed to do so.

While teachers being abused obviously have my sympathies, the school system can't ignore this problem and then act shocked when this behavior appears in schools.

training for all teachers on how to manage this behavior and this trajectory for kids
social media literacy should be part of the curriculum for kids in all years
awareness programs and training for parents
exposure to more appropriate role models who can help young boys understand how to interact with women
advocating for regulation of social media - it's just bullshit that youtube et al gives this bullshit a platform

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Parents are a big part of this problem. Teachers report behaviors and give recommendations, the parents then deny it happens, or refuse to follow a regimen with their child.

A good admin helps, but most try to smooth it over with the parents so the bullshit continue s.

My kids are (and were--one quit already) teachers. They had younger grades say grade 3-5 and kids are searching porn, telling them to go fuck themselves, stealing their belongings.

Their whole "teaching" time is managing classroom behaviours. Parents called in to talk about the kid, has had parents verbally abuse the teacher and being spit on by the dad. Police had to come.

Even at the grade 1-3 level they had parents sending chat messages the whole time to some kids...so obviously the kid won't put their phone away when asked.

And then there are the entitled parents. One kid has challenges (parents claim autism, teachers just say its lack of any structure at home) so kid gets to free roam the class when overwhelmed, while everyone works. Parents then come in to complain that their child feels isolated when freeroaming the classroom and asked the teacher to allow free roam for all students so their kid doesn't feel bad. Wtf.

Just a complete mess of disrespect and unwillingness to focus on working. Parents don't reinforce work habits either. Its a bumpy ride

[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Hell yes. As a former educator myself, I resonated deeply with all of the bullshit. Teachers can be the most proper and correct role models for students doing everything perfectly and going above and beyond, but it don’t mean shit if parents don’t also support the student/child in correcting their misbehavior.

And don’t even get me started on the trend of accommodations and how they were both overused and yet poorly understood by students/parents.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 days ago

I feel like COVID did a number on the socialization of kids that's going to be studied for generations. It is likely made worse by parents who couldn't/didn't spend time to address this.

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You say that, but then they trot out “boys will be boys” time and time again.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

Not necessarily.

Female teachers are resigning over this.

[–] funkyfarmington@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All of that is irrelevant without administrators being on board. And that will never happen.

[–] Policeshootout@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure why you assume this but my wife and I both work in high school (grade 8 - 12) which is part of a small, fairly conservative community. Our administrative staff all the way up to superintendent are extremely supportive of these types of things. Inclusion and awareness is very important at our high school for everyone. We also have social media education introduced in multiple classes. About 3/4 of all staff are female and neither of us have witnessed this type of misogynistic behavior. Our struggle is racism, antisemitism and intolerance.

I'm not saying that misogyny isn't a problem, I experience it on instagram and YouTube all the time and the comment sections are insane. My point is that administration does care, we are encouraged to include this type of education in our curriculum and we talk about it during staff meetings.

[–] Canadian_anarchist@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Unfortunately not all administrators care, and some can be part of the problem. The school I work at has some endemic culture issues because of the "old boys" club that has been formed by the principal. I am glad that you have supportive administration, but that is less common than it should be.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

While she says teachers are on the front lines, and she's right, it's not necessarily their responsibility to fix this problem beyond addressing it as it comes up.

The onus is largely on the parents, but more importantly, it should be on all men to call this shit out as they see it.

Little Bobby on your son's hockey team is spouting drivel and you're the coach? Don't just sit there and go 'meh, ain't my kid' - call it out. Talk about it. Penalize them if you have to. Rely on the systems already in place (like inclusion/safe space policies in sports leagues) to have your back when you have to act.

You're out supervising your kid and someone else's kid playing and their kids start up with 'women want to be raped' - call that shit out. Shut it down. You might have an awkward conversation later with the parent, but any parent worth their salt will be ripping a strip off their kid if they find out how they have been acting.

I feel like a lot of people are afraid to call out stuff like this because they're worried about the backlash they may face, or get shamed for not considering the offender's feelings. Offenders shouldn't feel safe, and lack of action only emboldens them. Not very long ago, it used to be if you said something stupid, you got relentlessly mocked. We've moved away from that, and now every opinion is seen as equal; even the harmful ones.

Make morons afraid again.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Couldn't agree more. Parenting failures are the root of so much (though being charitable, there are many parents in working conditions that basically destroy their ability to parent effectively). Regardless of parents, any kid is shaped (raised) in big ways by the communities they participate in. I've got no problem telling a little knucklehead - even one I've never met - to quit mistreating folks in various ways when I see it. And I wish more people would too.

But I also recognize that has the potential to really blow up (even violently) depending on the kid's parents and the scenario. But still, many of us just recoil from even the idea of a disagreement, and that's the mechanism that allows this stuff to fester in our youth. Take responsibility for your society, be mean to a kid who needs it today!

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is only a symptom of a deeper rot, and it's worldwide

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I noticed it too. My friend in India reports the same polarization issues we have in the US. Society is digressing. Why?

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think part of it is that we've changed the role for women in society without changing the man's role as quickly. We've also seen the destruction of being able to address men as a group in need of their own safe space.

[+] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And I think you have been overwhelmed by propaganda into thinking 2 incomes per household is normal

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In a lot of areas, two incomes per household is the only thing that keeps it a household. There is no need for propaganda.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only because of the world wars normalizing full employment. Before then only the most poverty level households required two incomes and even then it wasn't universal

The propaganda is what has normalized it in your mind. The last 3 generations proves what happens when you let kids raise themselves

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

No, it's because late stage capitalism requires prices to go up all the time, while salaries stagnate. People are spending way more of their income on housing these days, and even with two incomes they're living paycheck to paycheck. Why would anyone need to be propagandized? It's literally dual income or bust.

[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Either dual income, or one person of the household better be making a mid-to-high six figure income.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Two incomes per household has actually been normal for most people in most countries throughout history. The postwar nuclear family where only dad has paid work is a brief 40 year blip in western countries.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago

I block all liars, reconsider your life choices

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But if it were to go back to one income households, would only men have jobs?

[+] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I never said it needs to be gender linked but there needs to be at least one parent at home at all times

If that means 2 incomes with both parents working half time for the same pay, then so be it.

Don't really appreciate you trying to pigeonhole me tho, but it's all I've come to expect from lemmy

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not pigeonholing you, I'm responding in context to what I said earlier.

A lot of the definition of being a good man and husband comes from being a provider; a definition that hasn't changed while the definition of a good woman and wife has increased to helping to significantly provide for a family.

If you don't change the social acceptance of men doing other things than provide for a family, it is going to cause significant issues for those men who aren't working.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

Yeah you don't change a culture by wishing about it and this just isn't the decade for the world to care about mens' needs, and no one is interested in portraying men in nurturing roles outside of women geared media. On the other hand assholes like tate and rogan are gaining record breaking audiences of angry disaffected men tired of being marginalized while being told they aren't being marginalized.

I'm pretty sure the competing ideologies of fascism and 3rd wave feminism are going to ratchet up the gender war for the forseeable future and anyone in the middle is going to get stomped by both sides.

[+] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's complicated and whenever I post the reasons I get harassed for weeks, including mods and admins, but here goes:

We are in the middle of a men's mental health crisis, it has been going on for more than twenty years now. The causes are multiple, economic uncertainty, lack of positive male role models, social media bringing lifestyle envy, governments and services constantly favoring women over men for funds and support despite those needs already being abundantly covered already, lack of social mobility, depression about the lack of future prospects

And add on top of this EVERY FUCKING TIME men call out for help in need, the entire world comes down on them and tells them 'solve you're own problems, you made patriarchy, you fix it yourself' all the while women get RIDICULOUS amount of social support from homeless shelters, food pantries (the rules for mothers and fathers are usually different as they assume people claiming to be fathers are liars and need to prove, but women never lie and get all the support they ask for no questions)

Society has been geared to devalue men, and when men complain about it we are told 'It's your fault, fix it yourself'

It's deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time

[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time

You get downvoted because your conclusion is "let's blame it on women!"

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah, men face issues, but they're all kind of byproducts of patriarchy. And a greater rate of poverty isn't one, as far as I know.

We seem to have summoned an incel.

[+] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If that's what you took away then it's true what they say that media literacy is dead.

Gamergate was the genesis of our current wave of violent incels, which was a reaction to some pretty fucking heavy handed takeover of traditionally male spaces with no attempt at coexistence by 3rd wave feminists feeling their oats

And they literally gave platform for Bannon's goons to meme us into fascism. Tate, Rogan, both of those assholes and dozens more cater to the audience that gamergate gathered.

All of you dismiss it as just boys being angry on the internet till you remember just how many fucking right wing mass murders have happened in the last 10 years. That level of dismissal is EXACTLY why some boys are now believing rape is fine and justified. I want you to consider that level of degeneracy and the environment needed for it to fester.

For decades men have been told that all their problems are their own creation, and that they should go about solving it themselves. This puts progressive men in the shitiest place possible because they are the ones with the least power in today's society. They sure as fuck aren't getting support from non-progressives, AND getting mocked in their own spaces. And don't you fucking say it's just reddit there's tons of examples every day on lemmy

YES the ridiculous and deliberately antagonistic antics of 3rd wave feminism from 2007-2012 DEFINITELY gave the alt-right a platform by dignifying their movement and giving them tons of press and legitimacy instead of having the fucks arrested like they should have been in the first place .BUUUUUT NOOOO every motherfucking 'feminist' vlogger had to absolutely INUNDATE youtube with how terrible it was that boy liked boobs in games and how they should feel bad about it and maybe we should start charging people with felonies for killing video game characters (YES THESE WERE ALL TOPICS LEGITIMATELY DISCUST IN THE TUBESPHERE) and of course that caused a lot of puberty driven little bois to SUDDENLY RALLY behind this movement to stop removing boobies from games

And then at the same time the Georgia fucking radfemme commitee decided to put forward a bill making masturbation legally equivalent to a back alley abortion and everybody talked about it like it was some gocha for 3 fucking years till COVID shut everybody the fuck up

Yes I'm blaming 3rd wave feminists, but NOT exclusively. I also blame pubescent teen boys and their inattentive parents, I blame right wing propaganda shops for meming Bannon into relevancy, I blame billionaires for stealing everyone's financial well-being, and I SURE AS FUCK blame ignorant idealists like you and nearly everyone else on lemmy for mistaking the caricature of the right wing gamer boy in your head for the real thing

Things are going to get a fucktonne worse than they are now, they barely even ramped up industrial murder yet but they will, and sooner than anyone guesses. And people like you are a part of the problem, and your deliberate ignorance of that doesn't make your hands any less bloody

[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Dude you need to chill out, make friends with some women, and touch grass in the real world. You're a left-wing incel basically, from what you've written, you just don't realize it. Just unplug from the internet for a while and chill out. Whatever happens on the internet is usually not reflective of the real world, just keep that in mind.

Edit: I wrote exactly 12 words to you, and that makes you think I'm an "ignorant idealist" and have blood on my hands.............?

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago

Son I've been married for 30 years and my kids are already out of college.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If you haven't, watch the Netflix series "Adolescence". It shows a little bit the extreme of the current state of the incelsphere.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I need to watch it, I’m a sucker for the one-shot

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

It was well acted, but the hour long one-shot was amazing since it is inside, outside, driving, aerial shots, etc.

[–] l3mmypr0n@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 2 days ago

It's spelled, I N C E L influencers.
Ftfy

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I had known about those guys for a long time, but their thing is so goofy. I never expected it to be the meme ideology that takes off.

At this rate, conservatism in 20 or 30 years might just be about male supremacy.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

20 or 30? That's the reality now. Did you hear about "your body my choice"?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 19 hours ago

I mean, religious sensibilities, fiscal conservatism, free markets, federalism and lots of other things have more sway. And there's no shortage of older women in the Conservative parties right now, if probably less than the men.