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I was talking to a friend and complaining that the nearest grocery store is 3km from me, he says that Europeans consider that a reasonable distance to the store and I'm just being lazy.

I don't have a car, I don't have a bike, and the bus only comes by every four hours. Am I being unreasonable for not wanting to carry groceries 3km in 30C weather, or is my friend full of shit? Neither of us have been to Europe.

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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I've lived in different places here, currently I have a couple of options in a 400m radius, in my previous house I used to have two options in a 100m radius. Before that I lived in another country and had a small market at around 600m and the nearest supermarket was at 1.5km, I almost never went to the big one and instead had them deliver to my house, but it wasn't a chore going there, it was just boring and a waste of time when I could just order online.

A few years back I used to live in a small city and my options were 1km for a small market or 3km for a big one, you sort of get used to going the 3km to the big one when needed, but it's not fun, and I would consistently put out going to the big one until it was absolutely necessary. I believe 3km is bike distance, sure you can walk that much, it's not that far away, but it takes a long time and is exhausting carrying lots of groceries in summer for that long.

All of that being said, I was not born in Europe, so locals might have different opinions, although I think everyone I've talked to thinks that above 1km it becomes bike/scooter distance for routine things (you don't need a bike if you're going to the cinema at 1km, but grocery or other routine stuff it's worth the investment just on the time you'll save)

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago

2 miles. I drive it. There are shops nearby but they're a bit pricey

[–] GhostXMonster@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have shop few meters away from my home, but I only go there, when I forgot to buy something or just quickly need snacks for a movie or it's bad weather, but usually I just buy everything from other grocery store which is 2 km away, but I like their food selection more and they got cheaper prices. Sometimes I also walk to big supermarket which is 4 km away.

3 km doesn't seem much for me or most of my friends,some of them even own a car and still walk 2-4 km to the grocery shop, instead of driving, but some people I know, would rather drive a car or take a bus.

[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

NYC. I walk a round trip of 3k for groceries twice a week. Not unusual to walk 5k per day.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I live in Los Angeles and just happen to have a grocery store within easy walking distance. Like 0.5 km. But I don't, because the old nice little convenience store got turned into stupid Whole Foods. Or Mold Foods, as we started calling it after trying some of their groceries. Now I drive a mile to where I can get fresher produce and dairy, and paper towels that don't disintegrate with the first touch of liquid. Or we get our groceries delivered.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I'm American. I regularly walk to the shop that's 1.75 km, won't drive it because it's too close.

The closest Real Grocery is 2.5km, that I take electric bike. Same for the Whole Foods that's much farther (5.5km) but that I consider an adventure ride and certainly not a walk. The groceries would melt by the time I got home if I walked.

All of these my husband drives to, and I think that's more typical. I have hangups about driving short distances.

[–] maks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People in this thread seems to live near big cities, which isn't really representative of the whole european population.

I live in rural france, the closest grocery store since I was born is 20km away (20min drive, no bus), and I moved 3 times - still about 20km.

Lots of people I know would love a store to be 3km away

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[–] GreyShuck@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

It is 2.4km to my nearest shop (and most of that to reach a bus stop, as it happens). I have walked there from time to time, but I wouldn't do an actual grocery shop there anyway: we have the weekly groceries delivered.

I have brought a full grocery shop home in a large rucksack that kind of distance, and more, in the past when on holiday, but I wouldn't want to do it regularly.

I have also known a couple of other people who do that kind of distance with a huge rucksack for a monthly top up of specific things that their local shops don't carry, but they are both weird in several ways other ways. Good weird, but still weird. This is not something that the majority of people that I have known would even consider.

[–] erytau@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

In a 300-meter radius I have two large stores that I visit often, one super large 1 km away, and lots of small ones. Plus there are plenty of fast-food places all around. If I'm cooking something and realize I don't have an ingredient it takes like 7 minutes on foot to get it and be back in my kitchen. So I have never felt the need to have a car.

[–] Ziggurat@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

3km is kinda far, even with a bicycle, I have a small shop down the stairs and a medium supermarket at 5 min walk

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Hunter-gatherers used to forage in a radius up to 10k 😁

[–] Codpiece@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

1600 metres, but I’m not walking to do the weekly shop. Or 900 metres if I want to pay extortionate amounts of money for probably out of date items.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My nearest grocery store is 0.4km away point to point on gmaps, it's an 8 min walk in one direction, entirely via pedestrian only areas with no road crossings on flat road. I consider this to actually be a bit far, as in the previous city I lived in I had a convenience store 3 min walk away.

I think your friend is messing with you.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Depends how many you're shopping for. My nearest supermarket is about a kilometre away and if I'm going there I'll always walk. That's a grand distance even with a heavy shop.

I'd do 3 if I was just buying for myself but it's at the upper limit depending on weight, especially in 30C (I presume dry heat because fuck that shit otherwise).

[–] rwdf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

500 meters give or take.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 day ago

I live close to the central area of an ~80,000 population city.

Looking at Google maps I've got about 10 general stores within 300 meters, probably thrice that within 500m, plus plenty of smaller specialised stores.

300 to 600m seems like a reasonable distance to walk to and back with four to six bags of groceries.

For smaller more specialised shopping trips one or two kilometres would be fine too.

Three might be a bit much, though I've often walked that to go to the cinema.

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