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Apparently Debian has alienated the developers (www.youtube.com)
submitted 23 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) by MITM0@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
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We have this "meritocratic" right wing christian "centrist" relishing in the fact that Debian has gone political & is now struggling because the devs don't want to work for them.

I was wondering if some of nice people could share your opinions on it, especially on his solutions.

MY OPINION:

"Getting political" in these ways is both useful & a good idea. NO ONE & NO organizational body is neutral. Even just in internal day to day interactions, taking clear political policy like this is one step in preventing an environment from degenerating into one that is toxic & bigoted. This doesn't even have to be a right vs left issue. No one in their right minds should want to be racist or homophobic or allow an environment that promotes such a culture.

Also, being an open-source supporter & any level of rightwing is self-contradicting. Private property is the cornerstone of capitalist ideology & free software fundamentally twists information property against itself, turning the freed software into a commons. Left wing is far more meritocratic than right wing.

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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 28 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

He wouldn't have any problem whatsoever if Debian was publicly endorsing right wing views and losing leftist contributors.

Linux and the GPL FOSS movement is inherently leftist, snd right wingers have been wailing about leftist views in various FOSS projects for over a decade. I recall many threads on reddit accusing Linus of having been made 'woke' by his daughter when the CoC was introduced, back during the gamergate era.

It's all the same shit, all the same complaints, and all a waste of time. As the US descends into extreme fascism to the cries of approval of the MAGA cult, it becomes harder and harder to stomach them in a project.

The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

[–] SincerityIsCool@lemmy.ca 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The more concerning thing going on is Debian potentially embracing AI, which I am very much not a fan of.

Can you elaborate on this, or point me to where I can read about it? Getting away from AI was a part of the reason I ditched Windows :/

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 22 hours ago

He shows the article, from phoronix, in the video above, and talks about it

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

You can read more about it here: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-More-Newcomers-LLMs

They also seem to have voted on this subject back in may, but I don't know how to find the results: https://www.debian.org/vote/2025/vote_002#secondsa

[–] SincerityIsCool@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

Thanks!

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Another alt-right crybaby?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Don't know TBH, he's the least annoying but smug regardless, so yeah Kinda I guess

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I will never understand why people think FOSS is or should be apolitical.

FOSS has always been political. It's literally never existed in any other way.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

Like being neutral is also a political stance. FOSS can never be apolitical

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 21 hours ago

Yes, FOSS has always been political, just not the politics Debian dipped itself.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

open-source supporter and any level of rightwing is self-contradicting

Nothing surprises me since the YouTube distrotube uploaded a video with his rifle saying that "if you support free software you should support gun rights"

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

When will these people understand that Gun-Control doesn't mean people won't be able to own guns

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

They don't really understand anything because they don't really think. They just repeat what they're told while convincing themselves its an independent thought that appeared in their head as if by magic. These are the people outsourcing most of their thinking these days to ChatGPT, because it's not something they've ever really valued or been interested in doing themselves. Life's a lot easier when you don't have to think about much. They're "doers" not "thinkers". And frankly, it shows. We see an awful lot of stuff getting done right now, and very little thinking.

[–] pasdechance@jlai.lu 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I was about to watch when I realized who it was. To be honest, many of the Linux YouTubers have turned me off for different reasons, but I never enjoyed this guy's videos and I'm not the only one...

I guess I should watch this to give a decent opinion. Other distros are just as political and decisions reflect their stance (like how Alpine doesn't include Xlibre for reasons). As it stands, I'm fine with that.

I am unaware of the particularities surrounding the Debian situation, so I'll still need to play catch up.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Trafotin is also not a trust-worthy source to use. This is the same guy that berates forking & attacked Debian & gives horrible privacy & security advices & censors dissent.

There's a reason his co-ordinated attack didn't work. But he is right about STL in a way

[–] pasdechance@jlai.lu 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Oh for sure, they can be aggravating but I haven't watched any of their vids in over a year. I wouldn't take their advice the same as how I wouldn't want anyone to take my advice. Just because someone says they work in IT doesn't mean they do, right? I used to work in a pharmacy and people would ask me for medical advice when they saw me in town, but I didn't work in the dispensary. I knew the answer to their question, but I was not going to risk it.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Agreed.