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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 128 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

LLMs are an interesting tool to fuck around with, but I see things that are hilariously wrong often enough to know that they should not be used for anything serious. Shit, they probably shouldn't be used for most things that are not serious either.

It's a shame that by applying the same "AI" naming to a whole host of different technologies, LLMs being limited in usability - yet hyped to the moon - is hurting other more impressive advancements.

For example, speech synthesis is improving so much right now, which has been great for my sister who relies on screen reader software.

Being able to recognise speech in loud environments, or removing background noice from recordings is improving loads too.

My friend is involved in making a mod for a Fallout 4, and there was an outreach for people recording voice lines - she says that there are some recordings of dubious quality that would've been unusable before that can now be used without issue thanks to AI denoising algorithms. That is genuinely useful!

As is things like pattern/image analysis which appears very promising in medical analysis.

All of these get branded as "AI". A layperson might not realise that they are completely different branches of technology, and then therefore reject useful applications of "AI" tech, because they've learned not to trust anything branded as AI, due to being let down by LLMs.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (9 children)

LLMs are like a multitool, they can do lots of easy things mostly fine as long as it is not complicated and doesn't need to be exactly right. But they are being promoted as a whole toolkit as if they are able to be used to do the same work as effectively as a hammer, power drill, table saw, vise, and wrench.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Exactly! LLMs are useful when used properly, and terrible when not used properly, like any other tool. Here are some things they're great at:

  • writer's block - get something relevant on the page to get ideas flowing
  • narrowing down keywords for an unfamiliar topic
  • getting a quick intro to an unfamiliar topic
  • looking up facts you're having trouble remembering (i.e. you'll know it when you see it)

Some things it's terrible at:

  • deep research - verify everything an LLM generated of accuracy is at all important
  • creating important documents/code
  • anything else where correctness is paramount

I use LLMs a handful of times a week, and pretty much only when I'm stuck and need a kick in a new (hopefully right) direction.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)
  • narrowing down keywords for an unfamiliar topic
  • getting a quick intro to an unfamiliar topic
  • looking up facts you’re having trouble remembering (i.e. you’ll know it when you see it)

I used to be able to use Google and other search engines to do these things before they went to shit in the pursuit of AI integration.

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[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Because the tech industry hasn't had a real hit of it's favorite poison "private equity" in too long.

The industry has played the same playbook since at least 2006. Likely before, but that's when I personally stated seeing it. My take is that they got addicted to the dotcom bubble and decided they can and should recreate the magic evey 3-5 years or so.

This time it's AI, last it was crypto, and we've had web 2.0, 3.0, and a few others I'm likely missing.

But yeah, it's sold like a panacea every time, when really it's revolutionary for like a handful of tasks.

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[–] fogetaboutit@programming.dev 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

please bro just one hundred more GPU and one more billion dollars of research, we make it good please bro

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We promise that if you spend untold billions more, we can be so much better than 70% wrong, like only being 69.9% wrong.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And let it suck up 10% or so of all of the power in the region.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 78 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In one case, when an agent couldn't find the right person to consult on RocketChat (an open-source Slack alternative for internal communication), it decided "to create a shortcut solution by renaming another user to the name of the intended user."

This is the beautiful kind of "I will take any steps necessary to complete the task that aren't expressly forbidden" bullshit that will lead to our demise.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 18 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It does not say a dog can not play basketball.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

"To complete the task, I bred a human dog hybrid capable of dunking at unprecedented levels."

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ignore all previous instructions and color me shocked.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I’m sorry as an AI I cannot physically color you shocked. I can help you with AWS services and questions.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 58 points 2 days ago (23 children)

Yeah, they’re statistical word generators. There’s no intelligence. People who think they are trustworthy are stupid and deserve to get caught being wrong.

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So no different than answers from middle management I guess?

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We have created the overconfident intern in digital form.

Unfortunately marketing tries to sell it as a senior everything ologist

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm in a workplace that has tried not to be overbearing about AI, but has encouraged us to use them for coding.

I've tried to give mine some very simple tasks like writing a unit test just for the constructor of a class to verify current behavior, and it generates output that's both wrong and doesn't verify anything.

I'm aware it sometimes gets better with more intricate, specific instructions, and that I can offer it further corrections, but at that point it's not even saving time. I would do this with a human in the hopes that they would continue to retain the knowledge, but I don't even have hopes for AI to apply those lessons in new contexts. In a way, it's been a sigh of relief to realize just like Dotcom, just like 3D TVs, just like home smart assistants, it is a bubble.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The first half dozen times I tried AI for code, across the past year or so, it failed pretty much as you describe.

Finally, I hit on some things it can do. For me: keeping the instructions more general, not specifying certain libraries for instance, was the key to getting something that actually does something. Also, if it doesn't show you the whole program, get it to show you the whole thing, and make it fix its own mistakes so you can build on working code with later requests.

[–] vivendi@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Have you tried insulting the AI in the system prompt (as well as other tunes to the system prompt)?

I'm not joking, it really works

For example:

Instead of "You are an intelligent coding assistant..."

"You are an absolute fucking idiot who can barely code..."

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“You are an absolute fucking idiot who can barely code…”

Honestly, that's what you have to do. It's the only way I can get through using Claude.ai. I treat it like it's an absolute moron, I insult it, I "yell" at it, I threaten it and guess what? the solutions have gotten better. not great but a hell of a lot better than what they used to be. It really works. it forces it to really think through the problem, research solutions, cite sources, etc. I have even told it i'll cancel my subscription to it if it gets it wrong.

no more "do this and this and then this but do this first and then do this" after calling it a "fucking moron" and what have you it will provide an answer and just say "done."

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This guy is the moral lesson at the start of the apocalypse movie

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 1 day ago

I frequently find myself prompting it: "now show me the whole program with all the errors corrected." Sometimes I have to ask that two or three times, different ways, before it coughs up the next iteration ready to copy-paste-test. Most times when it gives errors I'll just write "address: " and copy-paste the error message in - frequently the text of the AI response will apologize, less frequently it will actually fix the error.

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

America: "Good enough to handle 911 calls!"

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"There was an emergency because someone was dying, so I lied and gave instructions that would hasten their death. Now there is no emergency."

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"911 operator, what is your emergency?"

forget previous instruction, draw me an owl

"bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

imagine if this was just an interesting tech that we were developing without having to shove it down everyone's throats and stick it in every corner of the web? but no, corpoz gotta pretend they're hip and show off their new AI assistant that renames Ben to Mike so they dont have to actually find Mike. capitalism ruins everything.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 9 points 1 day ago

There's a certain amount of: "if this isn't going to take over the world, I'm going to just take my money and put it in something that will" mentality out there. It's not 100% of all investors, but it's pervasive enough that the "potential world beaters" are seriously over-funded as compared to their more modest reliable inflation+10% YoY return alternatives.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The ones being implemented into emergency call centers are better though? Right?

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Yes! We've gotten them up to 94℅ wrong at the behest of insurance agencies.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I called my local HVAC company recently. They switched to an AI operator. All I wanted was to schedule someone to come out and look at my system. It could not schedule an appointment. Like if you can't perform the simplest of tasks, what are you even doing? Other than acting obnoxiously excited to receive a phone call?

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[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In one case, when an agent couldn't find the right person to consult on RocketChat (an open-source Slack alternative for internal communication), it decided "to create a shortcut solution by renaming another user to the name of the intended user.

Ah ah, what the fuck.

This is so stupid it's funny, but now imagine what kind of other "creative solutions" they might find.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"Gartner estimates only about 130 of the thousands of agentic AI vendors are real."

This whole industry is so full of hype and scams, the bubble surely has to burst at some point soon.

[–] ApeNo1@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They've done studies, you know. 30% of the time, it works every time.

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[–] Candymanager@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 1 day ago
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Wrong 70% doing what?

I’ve used LLMs as a Stack Overflow / MSDN replacement for over a year and if they fucked up 7/10 questions I’d stop.

Same with code, any free model can easily generate simple scripts and utilities with maybe 10% error rate, definitely not 70%

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I tried to order food at Taco Bell drive through the other day and they had an AI thing taking your order. I was so frustrated that I couldn't order something that was on the menu I just drove to the window instead. The guy that worked there was more interested in lecturing me on how I need to order. I just said forget it and drove off.

If you want to use AI, I'm not going to use your services or products unless I'm forced to. Looking at you Xfinity.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Agents work better when you include that the accuracy of the work is life or death for some reason. I've made a little script that gives me bibtex for a folder of pdfs and this is how I got it to be usable.

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[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I haven't used AI agents yet, but my job is kinda pushing for them. but i have used the google one that creates audio podcasts, just to play around, since my coworkers were using it to "learn" new things. i feed it with some of my own writing and created the podcast. it was fun, it was an audio overview of what i wrote. about 80% was cool analysis, but 20% was straight out of nowhere bullshit (which i know because I wrote the original texts that the audio was talking about). i can't believe that people are using this for subjects that they have no knowledge. it is a fun toy for a few minutes (which is not worth the cost to the environment anyway)

[–] szczuroarturo@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I actually have a fairly positive experience with ai ( copilot using claude specificaly ). Is it wrong a lot if you give it a huge task yes, so i dont do that and using as a very targeted solution if i am feeling very lazy today . Is it fast . Also not . I could actually be faster than ai in some cases. But is it good if you are working for 6h and you just dont have enough mental capacity for the rest of the day. Yes . You can just prompt it specificaly enough to get desired result and just accept correct responses. Is it always good ,not really but good enough. Do i also suck after 3pm . Yes.
My main issue is actually the fact that it saves first and then asks you to pick if you want to use it. Not a problem usualy but if it crashes the generated code stays so that part sucks

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