Isn't one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it's near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I'd wager some companies feel like they won't survive if they don't keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.
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Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.
The capitalist way.
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Browsers I tried yesterday (on Linux):
- Zen: neat, but the UI is too different for my taste
- Floorp: also neat, but features I don't use
- Waterfox: sweet spot for me
Librewolf and Waterfox seem pretty similar on paper. I went with Waterfox cuz idk. So far, Waterfox seems to be a drop-in replacement. I haven't noticed any problems with websites and haven't run into any bugs.
One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳
Zen: is Firefox
Floorp: is Firefox
Waterfox: is Firefox
Librewolf: is Firefox
They are all dependent on Mozilla and its choices.
There is some degree of independence. For example, if Mozilla releases some super evil patch tomorrow, I'm pretty sure everyone would just patch it out immediately. In fact, this is what most derivatives seem to do, patch out the ad/telemetry stuff.
But yeah, these are all modified Firefox browsers. Hopefully, nobody was thinking these were unique, new, browsers.
No, being a fork doesn't mean it's the same browser.
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One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.
Same for LibreWolf.
Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳
I was thinking I should ditch android FF, too...
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Is waterfox independent of system1 now?
ETA: they are apparently: www.farside.link/reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/14phsyl/a_new_chapter_for_waterfox/
Here is the link without the need to open reddit. https://www.waterfox.net/blog/a-new-chapter-for-waterfox/
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What happened to proton?
Their Swiss CEO decided that supporting an authoritarian American neo nazi regime was a good idea
And they decided that posting on Mastodon was bad so switched back to r*****.
He's not Swiss, he's from Taiwan
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The creator is pro-Trump and they also recently stopped posting updates to Mastodon citing "they don't have the resources" for it, or something like that.
Correct me if I have missed something; I've got no skin in the game, I just see the drama a lot.
So weird these business guys get involved into political crap. It's gotta alienate one side or another, simply lose lose.
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I’m trying out 3 different browsers atm and I think I’ll just keep all 3 and cycle though or use at different privacy settings. I will miss Firefox and not having to think about my browser. Can’t wait to watch all 3 go to shit as well.
Librewolf seems exactly the same, but it breaks Lemmy for me. It's probably a setting I didn't know to turn off.
It's likely the resist fingerprinting option. It breaks many websites or those that use bot checking thing.
I'll try some testing around those features.
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This thread got removed where it listed all of the things reddit collects, but we shouldn't get complacent here either. We need to check our instances.
Some of the instances do this here. This is not a 100% haven. It’s great and waaaay better, but still, check into your instances, Lemmies.
use truly foss apps. Anything that’s has a corp built around it is going to enshitify
Self-hosting and FOSS are the way to go. We saw this demonstrated when Raspberry Pi started acting stupidly as a company. There are so many alternatives that it is easy to switch. Unfortunately some things are pretty tough to self-host, like email and anonymizing VPN. But there are a lot of low-hanging fruit that makes it less painful to divest from bad companies.
I mean, someone made Graphene OS, a fork of Android. Surely someone can also do that for Firefox, right? 👀
There are several Firefox forks. Waterfox (based in Europe UK), Librewolf, Zen etc.
I have been loving LibreWolf for a while now. Can really recommend it!
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I went all-in on proton a few years ago but I dislike the direction in which they are going now. Does anybody have tips on how (and where) to switch smoothly. I could self host email but I've heard that it's a big hassle
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The mozilla thing seems to be mostly bad PR, but yeah...
They took out the clause in their policy about not selling user data.
It's pretty obvious what follows that
https://youtu.be/-8bTquKjzos That sums it up. The definition of what counts as "selling data" changed...
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I wonder what is going to be Firefox reason to even exist if we already have Chrome and Edge?
It's a generally recognised principle in economics that we want competition to take place, and for consumers to have a choice - for a plethora of reasons too large to list here. The most important IMO is a political one though: we don't want monopolies for the same reason we don't want monarchies and dictatorships. Being the sole provider of any very important product puts an obscene amount of power in the hand of a single corporation (or a handful of them). We never want that much power to be so concentrated in so few individuals, because it's fundamentally injust, and always leads to catastrophe. Also consider that if that power is a corporation or a "private" individual, they're not accountable to anyone but their shareholders (who, in turn never want the corp to be anything other than a money making machine). Even a dictator is more accountable to his subjects than a multinational corporation is to anyone. So there you have it, that's why we need alternatives.
PLENTY of reasons if they oppose enshitification... but if they embrace it, then yes, they'll just be another pimple in the ass of enshitificated software
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constructs like companies and software come and go but the individuals, the movement that strives for freedom stays the same
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