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[–] kubica@fedia.io 64 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The weird part of rust is replacing straight forward semicolons from other languages with the more verbose .unwrap();.

Just kidding, don't lecture me about it.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 6 points 22 hours ago

But then someone will have to deal with it somewhere, better just unwrap it under the carpet.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The amount of people on the internet seriously complaining that both Rust error handling sucks and that .unwrap(); is too verbose is just staggering.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 17 points 23 hours ago

I think the problem is that many introductory examples use unwrap, so many beginner programmers don’t get exposed to alternatives like unwrap_or and the likes.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I’ll be honest, when I was learning to program in Java I mostly just wrapped errors in an empty try catch to shut them up, with no regard for actually handling them.

I assume most other learners do that too.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Java requiring you to write every exception that can happen in your code isn't helpful.

Explicit error types are great, but Java managed to make them on a way where you get almost none of the upside and is so full of downsides that indoctrinated a generation into thinking knowing your errors is bad.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Me, every time I try searching a Rust question.

That's easy. Just do:

fn is_second_num_positive() -> bool {
    let input = "123,-45";
    let is_positive =
        input.split(',')
        .collect::<Vec<&str>>()
        .last()
        .unwrap()
        .parse::<i32>()
        .unwrap()
        .is_positive();
    is_positive
}
[–] shape_warrior_t@programming.dev 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Can't resist pointing out how you should actually write the function in a "real" scenario (but still not handling errors properly), in case anyone wants to know.

If the list is guaranteed to have exactly two elements:

fn is_second_num_positive_exact(input: &str) -> bool {
    let (_, n) = input.split_once(',').unwrap();
    n.parse::<i32>().unwrap() > 0
}

If you want to test the last element:

fn is_last_num_positive(input: &str) -> bool {
    let n = input.split(',').next_back().unwrap();
    n.parse::<i32>().unwrap() > 0
}

If you want to test the 2nd (1-indexed) element:

fn is_second_num_positive(input: &str) -> bool {
    let n = input.split(',').nth(1).unwrap();
    n.parse::<i32>().unwrap() > 0
}
[–] beeb@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Even better to use expect with a short message of what the assumption is: "the string should contain a comma" if it ever panics you'll know exactly why.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

You can also use a shorter version .clone();

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 28 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Learning C, that smasher would never have stopped.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It would also be emitting significantly less helpful messages.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 19 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Segmentation fault?

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Skill Issue.

For reals though adopting a functional style of programming makes rust extremely pleasant . It’s only when people program in object oriented styles that this gets annoying.

No loops, and no state change make rust devs happy devs.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I’m a OOP programmer.

I wrap everything within Arc<Mutex<>>.

I’m a happy dev.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean yah. That’s what it takes. But like when I try to write code around Arc<_> the performance just tanks in highly concurrent work. Maybe it’s an OOP rust skill issue on my end. Lol.

Avoiding this leads, for me at least, to happiness and fearless, performant, concurrent work.

I’m not a huge fan of go-lang but I think they got it right with the don’t communicate by sharing memory thing.

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You mean mutex? Arc allows synchronous read only access by multiple threads, so it's not a performance bottleneck. Locking a mutex would be one.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I mean it could be Mutex, or Rwlock or anything atomic. It’s just when I have to put stuff into an Arc<> to pass around I know trouble is coming.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

I just started learning rust like two days ago and I haven’t had too many issues with OOP so far… is it going to get considerably worse as the complexity of my projects increases?

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

It will become more complex when you start needing circular references in your datastructures.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

You’ll be fine. You will learn the lifetime stuff and all will work out. It’s not that bad to be honest.

[–] felsiq@lemmy.zip 1 points 20 hours ago

Worse in the sense of more errors, sure, but as you go you’ll pick up more of the rust patterns of thinking and imo it’s very worth it. It’s an odd blend and can be a bit verbose but I definitely prefer it to a pure OO or pure functional style language personally

[–] diffusive@lemmy.world 20 points 7 hours ago

Call me a weirdo but the more errors a compilers give me the happier (albeit a bit frustrated) I am. That stuff generally surfaces in a way or another… and I prefer at compile time 🙂

That said I haven’t spent quality time with Rust yet… so not sure if there are a lot of nitpicks (ala go) or these are valgrind-level of “holy s*** I am so grateful to this tool” 😃

[–] kamikazerusher@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

This is my experience every time I return to learning rust. I’m guessing that if I used it more often than once a quarter with hobby projects I’d stop falling into the same traps.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I find that the error messages themselves are a great tool for learning when it comes to Rust.

[–] kamikazerusher@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

Eh, I’m not entirely sold on that idea.

I think they do a good job of pointing out “this is a behavior/feature of Rust you need to understand.” However they can send you down the wrong path of correction.

The compiler error mentioning static lifetime specifiers of &str demonstrates both. It indicates to the developer that ownership and scopes will play a significant role when defining and accessing data. The error though will guide them towards researching how to define static lifetimes and possibly believe that they will need to set this in their functions and structs. Each time you look at questions about this error in places like Stack Overflow with example code you’ll find suggested solutions explaining that a manually-defined static lifetime isn’t necessary to resolve the problem.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

In my experience rust compiler simply moves the errors to earlier stage of development. With rust I write something and get bunch of errors right in the IDE. I spend some time fixing those and when all the compilation errors are gone in 99% of cases the code works and does what it's supposed to do.

With other languages I write some code and the compiler/interpreter says it's all good. I then run it, get bunch of errors and have to do some debugging, move back and forth between the editor and the command line/browser/application and fix all the bugs one by one.

So yeah, rust compiler complains a lot but it's to make your life easier, not harder. For me working rust way is just much more pleasant. I get immediate visual clues about the errors right in the IDE. When I finally get it right and all the errors dispersal it's like solving a small puzzle. You know you got it and it feels good. With other languages you think you got it all the time only to find another bug when you run it. Doing it this way is much more frustrating.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 5 points 13 hours ago

A friend told me about rust around 8 years ago and this was very much my first experience (at least with &str and lifetimes and borrow errors).