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submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by Asafum@feddit.nl to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
 

91°F (32.7°C) in the factory I work at.

The law states "all factories must maintain a reasonable temperature and humidity."

Nowhere is reasonable ever defined. I am mildly infuriated. And very hot lol

Edit: 94° (34.4C) now and this post has made it close to the top of "Hot"... The gods are having a laugh lol

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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 108 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You're not alone! I worked 12 hours in 37°C (99°F), 47% humidity yesterday. However, we get essentially unlimited breaks in an air conditioned break room, have cooling vests filled with ice packs we can wear on the floor, and are supplied with sports drinks and feeezies. Your work can't really make the world less hot, but they can work with you to avoid development of heat related illnesses!

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 64 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The cooling vests are something I should bring up in my next health and safety meeting! I doubt they'll buy them, but at least we'll have it on record that it was brought up lol

We used to have a purchasing agent that would buy water and stuff when it got really hot, but now we have one that argues about buying stuff we need to actually do our job let alone feel comfortable doing it lol

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What's a few heat strokes of disposable employees when owners can get richer?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 30 points 5 days ago (4 children)

He literally threatened to move the shop because the town wouldn't let him build a helipad for himself lol

Rich people problems

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

A few hundred bucks of cooling stuff vs how many tens or hundred thousands if everyone keels over?

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago

These are the vests we have: TechNiche CoolPax. They're okay. I find the ice packs melt quickly and freeze slowly but they're good for temporary relief. My company initially bought these to be worn under hot PPE like hazmat suits, but even just having a bunch of ice packs in a freezer you can take out on the floor to hold onto could work.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just did a stint at Lowe's and we had all the cold, bottled water we could drink. The cost is a no-brainer vs. even one heat-related issue. Use the words "worker's comp insurance" at that meeting!

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My mom has a similar situation at Home Depot, she actually said they finally adjusted the temperature when the customers complained. Naturally they couldn't care less about the employees, but at least they did provide water.

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Only takes one or two employees to pretend to have heat stroke/exhaustion and get a work sponsored trip to the hospital to force a change in the working environment.

Really would be safer for everyone to have someone pretend rather than wait until someone actually has one.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago (5 children)

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literally in the danger zone unless it's super dry where you are.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 40 points 5 days ago

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Thanks for the image, I'm definitely saving that for future use!

Apparently we're in "extreme caution," even though it feels humid the forecast says we're around 50% humidity

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

It's literally in the extreme caution zone.

Edited to add, I'm not good at reading charts, explanation below.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

Highway to the extreme caution zone just doesn’t have that ring to it.

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[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I guess dry heat is a thing. I can do >110 fine, I don't like it, but I don't feel in danger. But its 10% or less humidity. Its usually better to wear more clothes just to keep the direct sun off you. Somehow wearing a hoodie in the desert in summer is comfortable. Its also nice not getting sweaty because it immediately evaporates.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I spent a summer in south India a few years ago during monsoon season. I was fucking miserable in my jeans and shirts until I switched over to wearing loose, flowing clothes made of bleached kahdi (loose homespun cotton) like the locals. It keeps the sun off you and even when it gets soaked it doesn't cling to your skin, and then whenever the rain stops it dries completely very quickly. Other westerners I met made fun of me for pretending to go native, but they had no clue how effective it was.

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[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

As someone living in the equator where sun is fucking angry at us everyday, 32°c indoor is toasty, and 34°c indoor is torture. You should report to the authority and let them know.

Unless you work near furnace of course.

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is America, what authorities give a damn about how hot you are? If there was one, I'm sure Musk'n'Trump got rid of them.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

OSHA probably cares.

The company should care, because if the workers are dropping off because of heat stroke, they're not creating value for the shareholders.

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[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I work in environmental, health, and safety, and industrial hygiene, so workplace safety is my jam. You are correct that the regs are shit. Unless you live in one of five states with heat related regulations, you're really only covered by OSHA's general duty clause, which can be summed up as "employers have to at least make a good faith effort to do the bare minimum to not hurt their employees". It sucks.

For workplace temperature, what you'll want to look at is wet-bulb temperature, not the dry-bulb reading provided by a thermostat. You can find online calculators that'll calculate it by temperature and relative humidity. Wet bulb is the measurement accounting for evaporative cooling, so a better approximation of what temperature a human body experiences. Theoretically, a wet-bulb temperature of 35°C (95°F) or more isn't sustainable and will always lead to heat illness with sustained exposure. Around 30°C (about 85°F) is where we start seeing issues if people don't consider any steps to avoid heat illness.

It gets tricky from there as there are a ton of variables to determining a safe temperature, e.g., hydration, environmental radiant heat, cardiovascular health, level of acclimation, nature of the work, body mass, break frequency, access to air conditioned spaces, etc.

For example, at 94°F, a healthy adult performing moderate physical activity out of the sun (or away from any other heat source) should be fine up to about 75% humidity (so a wet bulb of 85°F), assuming they are dressed appropriately, acclimated to the temperature, remain hydrated, take periodic rest breaks in an air conditioned space (I’d advise 10 minutes on the hour, maybe more). I also recommend a monitoring/emergency response program

Let me know if I can help at all. I love heat, but working in it is just miserable.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for the detailed response! I'll have to keep an eye on the wet bulb temperature for future discussions about the heat at work.

The regulations really are frustrating especially since I've reached out to local "representatives" about how vague they are and naturally got no response lol

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Of course! And seriously, hit me up if you need any EHS advice or some real official sounding verbiage. I got laid off so I suddenly have a lot of free time.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 5 days ago

I'm sorry to hear that! I definitely appreciate your help, I hope you're able to find something soon!

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[–] MightBeAlpharius@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So, uh... We have the same thermostat at my job. It's not great. You can't just tell it what temperature you want the room to be, you actually have to tell it if you want it to heat or cool to that temperature.

Yours is set set to 65, but if you look to the left of the current temp, it says "heat." Someone likely forgot to change that when the weather warmed up. IIRC, one of the three unlabeled middle buttons will fix that.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lol I appreciate the help, but there is literally no AC unit. All we have is oil heat for the winter so the pipes don't freeze

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[–] Commander_Keen@reddthat.com 15 points 4 days ago

Default password on that model is 1234 /salute

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Luckily my ambulance has AC. Here's our top temp from yesterday:

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[–] AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

For me the main thing would be airflow there, and the type of work. I've done full days in 35+ machining but windows and doors were open so there was a breeze which made it bearable (not pleasant days mind you)

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 5 days ago

We have fans, but the air is fairly still outside and pretty humid. "Thankfully" today is less humid than it usually gets, but it's still thick. I'm in manufacturing as well so there's all the typical machines running adding to the heat that I'm sure you're familiar with lol

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The OSHA recommendation is 68-76F, which isn't a direct link to 'reasonable' but provides a suitable context to frame workplace conditions.

If people's body temperatures can be measured exceeding 100F a link to heat stress and increasing risk of injury in the workplace can also be drawn as it's generally the equivalent of working with a fever.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago (14 children)

Fun fact: OSHA recommendations aren't enforceable. Not supporting this, but the only way you can get traction on workplace temperature (unless you're in California, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, or Washington) is under the general duty clause. While a smart employer keeps their employees safe and reasonably comfortable, all federal OSHA requires is that you vaguely don't hurt them.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

Yep, and precisely why there is the need to develop an argument in defining 'reasonable' instead of just citing the applicable law or regulation. The OSHA recommendation provides a less arbitrary foundation for defining a reasonable temperature.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I brought that up once during a health and safety meeting, but the issue is the state law being so vague we can't really force a change and since this isn't a corporation they seem less inclined to care about legal issues. We're just a small "mom and pop" factory, like the health and safety meeting I have is myself and the QA inspection guy lol From how he's described his interactions with "the office" in relation to things mentioned in the meetings they seem to just want us to write down the minutes of the meetings as a formality for OSHA if they ever did come to inspect.

I'll mention it again so it is on record multiple times though.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Can you break the office ac? Or repeatedly set it to the warehouse temp every time you walk by it.

Edit: because it's considered reasonable (elsewhere in the comments), call it a cost savings measure.

[–] Toekneegee@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago

I also work in a factory but our temperature is largely unregulated with the exception of offices, break areas and certain departments where the stock needs to be kept away from too much humidity (so, even in those departments it's humidity control not air conditioning). In the winter it's cold enough that we've had pipes freeze in the center of the building and in the summer it's normal to see 100 degrees at 3am. It's too bad I don't live in one of those states where it's "regulated" because I think anyone would say those temperatures are unreasonable.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Complain that it isn’t reasonable.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 5 days ago (7 children)

We have lol for "them" unreasonable is when the thermostat reads 100° which it just so happens to never hit... We get 98° pretty regularly in the summers, but I've only ever seen 99° as the highest not 100...

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As a UXD who was a firmware dev for products (not thermostats, but similar things), in looking at this display, I’d bet money it’s not capable of showing numbers past 99. The layout doesn’t seem to allow space for more than a 2 digit temp reading.

The ‘heat’ and ‘fan’ indicators on either side of the temp reading are in a fixed location, so the temp display would max at 99. It’s highly plausible the real temperature exceeds that as you say.

Are you in the US? This situation feels like something OSHA would frown upon.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It is "hilarious" that you would mention that because I joked with the guys at work that I bet they bought a thermostat that isn't capable of reading 100° lol

I'm in the US, and OSHA has only ever shown up once on a perfect 75° day and we apparently had notice ahead that they were coming.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago

I was riding on a bus today where the temperature was 38c(101f). I only sat on it for like 40 minutes and i felt like fucking soup after, imagine having to be the bus driver. High temps like this are extremely dangerous actually.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 days ago

I vote we rename this comm to "infuriating" and have people bring their own adjectives to their post

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why is it on heat mode? They just dont wanna run AC at all?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There is no ac at all lol

Edit: I should rephrase that, the human beings in the office have ac, but the system this thermostat is hooked up to for us animals does not have an AC unit. I'm like 90% sure we only have heat so water pipes don't freeze.

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 7 points 5 days ago

We used to have sector wide unions. So even if you were employed by a small business with a few employees, you were still covered by a larger union.

I have family members who really appreciated the neck mounted fans that blow up at back of neck. relatively cheap at like 20-35.

Might be worth getting a giant insulated water bottle to fill with ice, or bringing your own mini fridge and plugging it in somewhere. You could also try getting a Dr note saying you need accommodation - supply of ice water or cooling vests.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

It's like that here in Germany too. They have a legal lower temperature limit, but otherwise it's just "if it's hot you have to give your employees water."

It will be 40C next week. No AC in my office.

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Pass out from heat exhaustion and then sue them

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't know what kind of work you do, but I've worked in factories and manufacturing my whole career and this isn't that unusual in my experience. I'd definitely be raising my pitchforks if you weren't provided water, breaks, and some methods of cooling (such as fans).

Worst I've ever had was in a paper mill. The dryers ran very hot and sometimes our job required getting really close to them. They were hot enough to burn, so long sleeves were required when near them. Easily had some 40+ °C days in there, but we had access to a cooled break room and allowed quite a lot of breaks.

Still, when we did have to work by those dryers, it was usually because the paper broke and caused big jams. That is a hell of a mess and has to be cleaned up as quickly as possible to get the machine making paper again. Let me tell you, wet paper is heavy. Hauling that shit down the length of the dryer alley, in 40+ heat, in mandatory sleeves and long pants... Some of the hardest work I've personally ever done.

Pay was great though.

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[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

I worked in plastic extrusion for nearly a decade.

The front of the line would be about 85, but the back of the kine, where the work was, hit 110°F to 120F° in the summers.

Absolute hell

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