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[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 158 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Oh good. Americans will die.

Trump will be fine.

But Americans are gonna die.

Trump is a traitor Nazi.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 84 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

More Americans died of Covid than in any war the US was involved since it became a country, yes including the Civil War. The highest death estimate for the Civil War puts it around 750 000 deaths while around 1 200 000 died due to Covid. Most Americans don't really care about the deaths of their fellow countrymen since, you know, they elected him again.

Fun Fact (I know it's not that fun): The number of people that died of Covid approaches the total number of people that died in all conflicts the US was involved from 1775 to 2019: 1 300 000 war dead versus 1 200 000 Covid dead

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

there’s still time to get those numbers up

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

By 2000 more Americans had died of AIDS than any war but the civil war. Though I will admit I was surprised we still didn't care when it wasn't just undesirables dying. Turns out we're able to be ablist enough to declare anyone who dies of disease basically already dead beforehand

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[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe they can blow up his hotels and golf courses. He'd actually care more.

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[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 113 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I mean, yeah, that's what a declaration of war usually entails.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (7 children)

It used to be that non-combatants weren't considered legitimate targets. Ain't progress fun?

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

tell that to all the civilians in Guantanamo and Gaza.

if the first aggressor doesn't give a fuck about rule of war, it can't complain about them

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Or Ukraine's civilians. Or the 500k--2M dead civilians during the war against Iraq. Oh, sorry, those were "collateral"...

Usually citizens are not considered fair targets. They're just targeted all the same.

Iran does not have the military capabilities to fight off Israel, let alone the USA. So they will most likely use terrorist attacks, targeting civilians, because that's the best hope they have to end the war: when the people back home get serious about ending it as they're taking losses.

Unfortunately, and as usual, the very important people who decide to keep going or stop are also the least likely to see their life at risk. And in this case, they also happen to not give a flying fuck about civilians lives.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

In the history of the world, it has only been a very short window during the late 20th/ early 21 st century that civilians were not considered fair game in war, although they get slaughtered anyway. Even with civilians being off limits, as recently as WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and the Middle East, civilians have been targets either by design, by atrocity, or by proximity.

If there's a war, don't think you're getting off the hook just because you're a civilian. During war, the old adage "If your not with us, you're against us" becomes weaponized.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Americans have only ever pretended to care about non-combatants when it's convenient. President Obama even invented the term 'enemy combatant' so he could pretend his drone strikes were killing fewer civilians.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump doesn't even have the class to declare.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

He also can't. Proclamations of war are made by the legislature. (Congress). If the President sends troops in a supposed emergency they can go without legislative consent for 90 days and must be recalled at that time without the legislature's approval. It's stupid, because 90 days into a conflict we have troops on the ground and an immediate evacuation only hurts us economically and global appearance some worry about. Not to mention the troops lost/injured, casualties left with those attacked and Congress not agreeing to keep them there is an admission that it was wrong, so not paying restitution would hurt international relations as well.

To me it comes to, if he orders troops on the ground, an immediate Congressional impeachment would be needed, and the Senate to remove him, or they will vote in favor of staying in the fight to "save face" and not care how many innocent lives die or are thrown into poverty, starve, are raped, wrongly imprisoned, tortured, and the damages it will cause to the mental health of a whole new generation of our soilders and people of other counties around the world.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You're speaking like you have a functional government.

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[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (7 children)
[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 14 points 2 days ago (4 children)

As if the US have ever given a fuck who they blew up...

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mmm, not really.

You can't just slaughter civilians willy nilly. Well, you can, obviously, as shown by what's going on in the world, but international laws say you shouldn't.

Iran could legally intern any Americans, but civilians wouldn't still be POW's. And should technically have rights and whatnot.

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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 95 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The headline is somewhat misleading. Iran said US personnel are legitimate targets (meaning those employed by the US government. Not all US citizens.

Although if I were American I would not risk depending on the judgment of a random Iranian soldier.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

First sentence:

Iran announced Sunday that any American civilian or military personnel in the region are now considered legitimate targets

So yes, still not all Americans, but no, not just government employees, American civilians too.

But I suspect non-military people will be arrested, not treated as military targets to be attacked or bombed.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

After we've droned some of their people. I wouldn't put money on that.

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[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 73 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The article provide zero proof of the claim in the title

[–] notastatist@feddit.org 81 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its because its israeli News and it fits their propaganda.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I don't recommend believing them non-conditionally, Haaretz has generally been opposed to Netanyahu and hid actions, especially after he picked a fight with them earlier this year.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Even the Israeli left parties (and Ha’aretz is on the left) supports war on Iran even if they were less supportive of the genocide in Gaza. They still have a bias.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Haha welp, guess we have airline bombings to look forward to in the future

This timeline fucking blows, guys.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

My best guess is that they'll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it's spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can't beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.

The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Same. My city reopened in Mid-June 2020 and I remember going to the gym and seeing people pretending the virus was gone, no masks, distancing, or wiping down the equipment. People are disgusting.

So I still mask up and carry sanitizer.

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[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 40 points 2 days ago
[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

🎶 Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time

Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine 🎶

[–] CorruptCheesecake@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR??

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

To the surprize of absolutely no one, maybe exept the US government.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago

And with how ICE is operating infiltration has become easier than ever.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (33 children)

Dear Iran, leave us Americans out of this fight. Your fight is with trump alone, we are hostages of him. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Live by the sword, die by the sword. We let Gazan children die because of who their parents voted for. I'm not saying two wrong make a right but that doing what is right starts with us.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 16 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Iran targeting U.S. citizens, U.S. targeting U.S. citizens, U.S. citizens just can't get a break.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago

Elect a fascist clown, get a fascist circus.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (5 children)

My money is on Iran enacting a terrorist attack on July 4. It isn’t just Iran’s opportunity to enact mere vengeance, but it is a convenient opportunity to have that vengeance become deeply ingrained into the mind of America for a long time to come. Where we would once have celebrated our independence, that celebration would be contaminated by a horrific attack. It's not just about enacting petty revenge, but it'd be about sending a message for generations. Also, the date is conveniently close.

Edit: Spelling

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago

We're like Pokémon! Everyone everywhere wants to catch us. At home they really want to send people to Guantanamo. Abroad they need to exchange us for people kidnapped in el Salvador.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Fellow muricans; stay out of metropolitan areas on July 4th. My guess is that we're going to see the inevitable marriage of military and local law enforcement using the "iranian sleeper sell agents biden let loose in our country" angle instead. Faux news frontpage is laying the groundwork as of yesterday.

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[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

Buy the ticket, take the ride!

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