War is basically all logistics and the value Ukraine is getting out of their drone program is insane
this post was submitted on 19 Jun 2025
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Russia just accidentally admitted to its staggering troop losses in Ukraine
(kyivindependent.com)
Honestly when they’re done, that manufacturing capacity will do great things for their economy.
God knows we'll need every little bit to rebuild
The second it is safe, the second the war is over, I'm coming over and spending tourism dollars over there.
Love you. Greetings from elsewhere in Europe.
They'll need it because the war money will stop immediately. They're being funded only as much as it hurts Russia. Just like Afghanistan in the 80s.
Slava Ukraine. Be safe if you can. Wish I could do more to help. I tried to do some things with the digital forces but there isn't much left I can do that you all need.
It's what many says, Europe needs Ukraine for many reasons and a big one is (sadly), their knowledge about a mordern war.
Did they get that knowledge from 9 soldiers, one of which carries a cursed burden?
"We need people from this big war to fight the next big war!" is the line of thinking that's going to burn everything to the ground, just like it did a century ago.
Between Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Iran, Britain floating warships off the coast of China, Indian and Pakistan firing on one another, North Africa in a decade long bloodbath, the US sending marines to suppress unrest in local cities... its not good folks.
Europe has not been aggresive at all. Being ready doesn't mean you want to go to war.
Many are against reaming Europe, thinking weapon = war, but it's not that simple. Nuke are scaring as hell, but we haven't had such a long period of peace before nuke came.
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Then they can become the world's supplier of battle-tested drones.
The shareholders will benefit greatly from more war.
Never let a good tragedy go to waste.
Do they manufacture them in Ukraine? I always assumed they got them for elsewhere.
Very much so, though they import lots of parts. Generally speaking the Ukrainian defence industry is operating under capacity because cashflow.
Ukraine builds rockets and the biggest airplanes in the world and has a vibrant IT sector, they can manage drones. Much of the Soviet high-tech design and manufacturing was Ukrainian, that's one of the reasons why Russia wants its colony back.
Given the volume they quote each year they either have sourcing figured out or produce at least some of the parts internally. Keep in mind, in FPV drones a lot of the tech is not some cutting edge stuff.
Some of the strikes at the residential complexes can be targeted attacks at distributed micro factories.
Ukraine playing it smart and understanding how modern warfare is done. Russia only throwing in more and more soldiers.
In Russia’s defence, who could have possibly have thought that invading Ukraine in the winter wasn’t going to be a simple 3 day weekend kind of thing?
If they assassinated Zelensky like they had planned, it probably would have been.
That feels like a big contingency that they failed to adequately plan for
Plus wouldn’t the armed forces still fight?
They would have fought, but they would have been demoralized.
They also would have likely been replaced by a Russian sympathizer or asset and the US/West would be very wary to send all sorts of expensive weapon systems to Ukraine.
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It works though, that's why they keep doing it. It's slow as hell and inhumane, but they can afford it for many more years I'd wager. Their capabilities of data gathering/transmission are much better these days as well. Also don't forget they set up wired drone production (in serious numbers at least) first, they can be smart at times.
Underestimating them irl is pointless.
Pulling a Napoleon when he went to Russia. Too cocky
A man fighting for his home is worth 100 fighting for someone else's cause. Russia was never going to win the numbers game.
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Russia it was already a mess before but considering their median age, after a 1mln loss they're as good as fucked.
Putin doesn't care about his country, but Russians then?
They don't care either. The majority, that is, there are some good apples who left the bunch
Tho’ it is hard – the earthly load,
The Cart is easy in its move,
The reckless couch-time, on road,
Will not get of his bench above.In early morn we take our places;
We glad to break our empty head,
And leaving leisure for the races,
We cry, “Go on, you idler, damned!”At noon, our bravery’s diminished;
We have been tossed and more afraid
Of slopes, steep, and ravines, peevish,
And cry, “Be easier, you, brat!”The cart rolls in the former fashion,
By evening, we have used to it,
Wait for night lodgings, doze, patient, –
And Time tends horses to full speed.
-- Pushkin, "The cart of life", translated by Yevgeny Bonver
tl;dr it doesn't really matter the cart keeps on racing until it crashes. And then they Slav it back up and it keeps on racing. Nobody knows who or what the fuck actually holds the reigns. Also that "go on, you ildler, damned" does not give the profanity used in the original credit. Like, not even close. English isn't capable of it.
For context, the America lost about 55,000 soldiers in the Vietnam War, which lasted about 10-12 years. Russian has already lost at least 600,000 in a couple of years.
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Kelin was then asked about Russian army recruitment.
"I'm not a specialist in this area, but as I understand it we have 50-60,000 a month, those volunteers who are coming, recruiting, posting, and they would like to get engaged in this thing (in Ukraine)," he replied.
He did not explain why the size of the Russian army fighting in Ukraine has gone down despite what would amount to around 250,000 extra troops being recruited and sent to the front since the beginning of the year.
From I figure, basically by giving recruitment numbers and total numbers in Ukraine, the West can calculate number of casualties, which the West figures is 1 million. Remember casualties includes injured.
Ukraine has been keeping a tally of Russian losses since pretty early on, and it's been pretty much perfectly accurate.
Reminds of of that scene in tiberian sun when NOD installs the new AI
EVA: "Casualties rates unacceptable, this course of action -"
Anton: "stop, Activate the reprogramming"
EVA:"Casualty rates well within acceptable parameters"
I get the feeling they take ww2 loses before they even notice.
It alludes to the staggering number in the title and in the abstract but does not give the number which means it's clickbait.
The discrepancy tallies with Western analysis of Russia's staggering losses. "They lose somewhere in the ballpark of 35,000 to 45,000 people per month, and perhaps they recruit a little bit north of that number," George Barros, Russia team lead at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), told the Kyiv Independent earlier this month.
What a fucking waste.
I keep reading about how Russia's economy is on the brink of collapse just like how I keep reading about how Trump's voters are turning on him. I believe that both are (somewhat) true, but I don't think anything will come from either one.
So there's a stable inflow and outflow. I wonder what fractions are dead, wounded (disabled permanently), wounded (temporary), and retired (back to civilian life in one form or another, likely traumatized).
Alternatively, Russia is building up a massive army outside of Ukraine. That seems unlikely though, there's no news about that, I'll discard that hypothesis for now.
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