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[–] sudo@programming.dev 114 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Because then the US any every other IAEA signatory would be obligated to sanction Israel which would be the end of Israel's economy.

No news media dares mention it because they have no proof and would both loose any insider access and get buried in libel cases.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Forced by who? The Republican Congress would likely say Iran deserved it, and even if they didn't Trump would dismantle any group the executive branch is supposed to use to enforce them as he was pushing for with Russia .

Their biggest trading partner is China .. not sure what they would do

[–] kayky@thelemmy.club 21 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It has nothing to do with a 'republican' congress.

Democrats wouldn't stand up to Israel either and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 18 points 1 day ago

Plus they killed the last people who were telling.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

sanction Israel

Yeah that's not happening

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 day ago

because they’re trying to manufacture consent for a war with Iran

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Why won't the mainstream media of the Western bloc, a well known propaganda apparatus that will always spin things in favour of capitalists and Western imperialism, mention Israel's (a Western colonial project) nukes? Gee, I wonder why. 🤔😅

[–] idriss@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone would rather circle around the answer

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 23 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Iran needs nukes to defend itself from a nuclear armed aggressor. Everyone needs nukes for that reason. Greenland needs nukes to protect itself from the US.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 16 hours ago

Yeah after ukraine, i don't think anyobe else will ever make that mistake again.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 20 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

We should welcome an Iranian bomb. Honestly, it's what the Middle East really needs to bring it to stability.

The biggest destabilizing force in the Middle East is Israel. They're a destabilizing force because they're an expansionist nuclear-armed power with no hard borders. Their borders aren't actually fixed; they're in a decades-long process to slowly expand them. For those who forget, Israel's MO is to:

  1. Destabilize border regions of neighboring countries and foster the creation of militant groups within them.
  2. Use those destabilized regions as justification for military occupation of the territory of neighboring countries.
  3. Announce the creation of border "buffer zones."
  4. Allow their civilians to move into what is supposed to be a DMZ-like buffer zone.
  5. Again have civilians in the line of fire of militants, demanding further border expansion.

Israel has been expanding like this for decades, and there's no end in site. Their immediate neighbors are all to weak and destabilized to resist this process of slow Israeli lebensraum. The people in the Middle East are rightly afraid that they'll be next under the Israeli boot, and they'll find themselves reduced to the plight of the Gazans.

Israel is out of control. It's an expansionist military power hellbent on gobbling up its neighbors. The reason they're able to get away with this is because they have nuclear weapons. No Arab nation can invade them without the threat of being nuked in return. Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to conquer its neighbors.

Another nuclear power is desperately needed in the region to hold them in check. A nuclear Iran would serve this role well. They wouldn't be able to wipe Israel off the map, as that would result in them getting nuked in return. What a nuclear-armed Iran can do is to finally put a check on Israel's endless military expansion. We need powers that can stand up to the Israelis as equals and say, "no. Your borders are fucking big enough. You're not taking one more square meter of land."

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

As much as I agree that Israel is a destabilizing force and that you have their MO fairly spot on, Israel doesn't seem to be using its nuclear arsenal as a deterrent for invasion. They don't have to, they have significant conventional forces with US backing, making invasion nigh-impossible anyway. That's how it went in the past at least with the various regional wars.

I'm not sure an Iranian bomb would stabilize much if anything. Israel sees it as a direct existential threat and will stop at nothing to prevent or disable such a weapon. Iran has also repeatedly threatened to use it on Israel offensively, which doesn't really bode well for peace either. Suppose Iran does lob a bomb at Israel, how would they respond? Or what if Israel strikes first? I don't trust either party to be reasonable and responsible here tbh.

Iran can't use the weapon to threaten Israel as you say, because it'd be an empty threat. Iran can't nuke Israel without getting nuked right back. Israel knows this, so they can continue their expansions just fine.

MAD doctrine prevents nuclear wars from breaking out, but as we have been seeing recently it doesn't prevent conventional wars.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

MSM has talked about Israel's nukes. Can't remember which channel it was, but yesterday they were doing a comparison between Israel's and Iran's offense & defense capabilities.

[–] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

mainstream media?

e.g. all of them

[–] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 3 points 23 hours ago

Gotcha, thx.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty simple. Currently not all nations have nukes, out of those who have, a few have enough to completely destroy a rival nation. This means that the nations with the big nuke stocks are the ones calling the shots as to who should have nukes and how much. Iran being mostly against the US is not allowed nukes, Israel being mostly a US ally is allowed nukes.

This is the unpolitical explanation.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

we really should have some deal to allow Iran to have access to nuclear power under supervision

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 9 points 14 hours ago

We used to have that, Trump 45 ripped it up.

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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)
  • racism
  • white supremacy
  • imperialism
  • judeo-christian values
  • western civilization
  • only democracy in the middle east

take your pick

Israel violates international laws and has been since 1948, invades its neighbours and commits genocide, and western media still portrays it as a victim.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

being persecuted for decades/centuries priors helps shield them from any criticism, because they can claim anti-semitism every time.

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 4 points 11 hours ago

I'll throw post WW2 apologetics into the ring. Can't blame Israel publicly without risking career suicide, both in politics and corporate.

[–] kayky@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 day ago

Because Israel has a disproportionate amount of control over the media.

In an oligarchy, corporate media is state media.

[–] CtrlAltDefeat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone's got them but nobody uses them. So do they really need them or just need to convince other countries that they have them.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 5 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

not every country has a nuclear arsenal

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