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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/11571975

Fork it! It's time for a Mastodon hard fork

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is unhinged. Someone building the mainline of an interoperable communication service should absolutely be helping others making software trying to interoperate with it. Complaints can be made about Rochko rejecting PRs, but complaining that other people's time is going towards a thing they don't want is insane.

"So they reached out to us and we had conversations about what they want to do, how they can do it, and we had more detailed conversations about how to do X, how to do Y protocol-wise. We helped them resolve some issues when they launched their first test of the federation because we want to see them succeed with this plan, so we help them debug and troubleshoot some of the stuff that they're doing. Basically, we're talking with each other about whatever issues come up."

But from the perspective of hundreds of instances have signed the anti-Meta FediPact, and hundreds more are blocking Threads without signing the pact, any resources devoted to to improving the Threads/Mastodon integration are wasted.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even ignoring the ideological reasons to not want facebook integration: There are only so many hours in the day and so many dollars in the donation bucket. If an open source project is dedicating a disproportionate percentage of that on a feature that a significant part of the community actively do not want: That is exactly WHY you fork a project.

And once we consider the ideological and safety related reasons to not want facebook and giant corporate interests involved?

I have a lot of issue with the people who decide the answer is harassment and hate. But if enough development and organizational energy want to fork this? Fuckin' A.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What does a hard fork get this author that blocking meta’s domains from their account not get them?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I say DON'T fork it. Heres the thing nobody in communities wants to come to grips with.......security is not the way to grow a very new platform. "Normie" users will not give one shit if you are super secured with 87 point encrypted authentication. Super secure? Don't mean shit.

You know what normie users DO care about? Marketing. They want one concise marketing vision. They want one baseball brand. One football brand. One basketball brand. One twitter. One facebook. One instagram.

Now. There are times that those dominant platforms can be disrupted. If oh.....I don't know.......some dipshit decided to spend 44 BILLION dollars and spend the next 2 years changing it from the dominant name in microblogging, to a right wing facist supporting echochamber where differing ideas are stiffled, blocked, and shut down.

That would create the need for a secondary dominant microblogging platform that allows for freedom of ideas to be posted and not deleted due to political stance.

Enter Mastadon. It fills that void nicely. It's still small as the majority of the userbase of twitter has no idea Mastodon exists. However it's undeniable they are losing massive numbers of users. Not because they don't like the twitter concept, but because they don't like what it's become.

With more marketing, mastodon COULD be the new dominant twitter, thus rendering that 44Billion dollar purchase even MORE stupid than it already is, if 90% of their userbase leaves.

But where you'll lose them is if they have to make a choice. Mastodon 1 and Mastodon 2??? Well twitter was just twitter......this must not be twitter.

And just like that, you've confused and lost the new user. Forget the fediverse. Forget instances. Forget security. Forget federation. The normie user doesn't know and doesn't care about ANY of that. Instead just say "its one mastodon. It's like twitter without facism"

Boom! User influx. This is already happening in spite of lack of marketing and the fediverse existing. Thats how badly people want a twitter clone. If someone else makes another non-fediverse clone, with no facism, and big money marketing, mastodon won't grow to its full potential.

But for gods sakes! Don't shoot yourself in the foot to spite yourself.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't people today still choose between Gmail and Outlook?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

................no? Who uses outlook?

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago

People forced to by work:-P.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing the article.

I searched for "misskey" but couldn't find anything. Akkoma and GoToSocial are mentioned though.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm an IceShrimp fan, but even Misskey looks so much better than Mastodon

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I recall correctly it just doesn't scale well, and starts performing poorly as the user count goes up.

Personally I prefer Mastodon. In the end there's only three dimensions: Security, performance, and personal preference.

I'm happy with how Mastodon is being run. Move fast and break things kan kiss my ass. Move slowly and don't suck.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Funny from someone on Piefed, which is developed quite fast considering when they started (it's more a compliment to the Piefed team than anything else)