Wellllll... If it hadn't been for Germany, Israel probably wouldn't exist.....
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Jesus Christ lol
They're technically correct, which is the best kind of correct 👍
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Germany is Europe's biggest supporter of Israel.
The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn't great.
To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of "original sin". What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.
The problem is that "nothing of the sort" has translated into "opposing Jews in any way". It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to "atone for their sins", and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we've seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It's very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they've done a laudable job at condemning.
What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it's difficult, and I don't have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.
Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.
I don't say this to excuse anything Israel is doing, but this is gross recency bias that is glossing over numerous genocides that have occurred since the Holocaust, including:
- 2020-2022: Tigray Genocide in Ethiopia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_in_Tigray (Est. 162,000 - 600,000 killed)
- 2003-2005: Darfur Genocide in Sudan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_genocide (Est. 98.000 - 500,000 killed)
- 1996-1997: Hutu Genocide in Zaire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Hutus_during_the_First_Congo_War (Est. 200,000 - 233,000 killed)
- 1994: Tutsi Genocide in Rwanda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide (Est. 491,000 - 800,000 killed)
- 1987-1989: Isaaq Genocide in Somolia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaaq_genocide (Est. 50,000 - 200,000 killed)
- 1986-1989: Genocide in Kurdistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_campaign (Est. 50.000 - 182,000 killed)
- 1975-1979 Cambodian Genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide (Est. 1,386,734 - 3,000,000 killed)
- 1971-1979 Uganda Genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Republic_of_Uganda (Est. 100,000 - 500,000 killed)
- 1972 Ikiza Geneocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikiza (Est. 80.000 - 300,000 killed)
- 1971 Bangladesh Genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide (Est. 300,000 - 3,000,000 killed)
Not technically genocides, but also worth mentioning in the same vein:
- 1959-1961 Chinese Famine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine (Est. 15,000,000 - 55,000,000 killed)
- 1930-1953 Soviet Gulag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag (Est. 1,500,000 - 1,700,000 killed)
So ya, other than those events, this is the closest thing to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.
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Maybe it's time for a redemption arc.
They're highly complicit in Israel's actions.
They also ditched nuclear energy and stayed over reliant on russian fossil fuel, funding the Russian war machine
The nuclear rods in Europe are mainly made with Uranium from Kazakhstan processed in Russia.
The German failure was not expanding renewables. Getting out of nuclear energy is geopolitically and financially sound.
These nuclear energy zealots are spilling over from r/europe with the same stupid arguments
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Germany has great PR, it plays itself as such a progressive nation free of hate or want. It’s bullshit when you look beyond the surface
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Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.
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You misspelled Austrians.
While Hitler was Austrian, Germans carried out the orders.
But honestly, the 1918 influenza was largely responsible for WWII, because the people who would have prevented Germany from getting ass fucked in the Treaty of Versailles were sick and didn't attend.
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AfD be like: It hasn't officially started yet 👀
Germans?
They're people from the country between France and Poland
between France and Poland
Not if they have a say in the matter.
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Yes, hi, you may not know of us, understandably - we like to keep to ourselves and not meddle in the affairs of others, ever since... The Incidents.
Incidents?
Tap for spoiler
That time Bayern declared itself a soviet Republic in 1919, probably. Or maybe the toilet paper crisis of 1923. Or possibly the Affenkrawatte-Affair during the Weimar republic.
Pssshhshshhht. Yes.
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They're like Austrians without the sense of humour (AH notwithstanding....)
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They are complicit in supporting and arming Israel as well as supporting the genocide.
Israel: we wouldn't have started it without Germany's security guarantees!
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Ne digga, unsere scheiß Regierung macht den Kack ja mit, weil einzige Demokratie im nahen Osten und Staatsräson und so
Ne digga
BRUH y'all can't just use my dyslexia against me like that wtf. Did not read this right at first!
Well if they didn't genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn't accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades
Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.
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It's still possible to ask if Germany could have prevented it.
Sure. Maybe if they did a better job at WW2. But I don't think that'd necessarily be an improvement...
Maybe if they did a better job at WWI?
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Germans when they realise WW2 was caused by an man from Austria
Germans when they realise WW1 was caused by the assassination of the archduke of Austria and the subsequent declaration of war from Austria-Hungary on Serbia.
You could say Austria is responsible, but Hitler was in Germany, so WW2 is kinda our problem…
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