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I’m no Israel supporter but fuck the IRGC. I hope Iranians can at least get a regime change out of this. Death to khamenei and death to all the IRGC leadership. I hope they all become kotlets.
I mean, fuck Hamas too. They’re far right fundamentalists. But fuck Israel so much harder. And for the time being the enemy of my enemy, etc.
Oh man it's gonna be a good day when Israel falls.
This website is collectively completely deluded. Every thread on this topic I see people (I’m assuming tankies and/or actual Hamas supporters) fantasizing about Iran destroying Israel with is… just laughable from an objective PoV.
I despise the Israeli government but regardless of my feelings towards them, their military is so much more advanced than Iran's, it’s not even comparable. And they have the backstop of a US carrier group, in case something does go wrong.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website. Makes it really hard to actually engage with people.
I know nothing about defense and everything I learned, I did so at NCD, but doesn't Iran have like 88 million people and Israel just 9 million, and Iran has like six times Israel's active personnel? Iirc they're one of the largest armies in ME.
Then again, just by sheer numbers Russia was supposed to overrun Ukraine, 1M dead later and they're still where they started plus few towns charred to the bone.
Perhaps this map will help:
To get from Iran to Israel, the Iranian soldiers would have to cross Iraq (and Jordan) or Syria, both very unfriendly countries full of mountainous terrain. Not a viable ground invasion whatsoever!
Iran's standing forces are kind of irrelevant without a way to get them to Israel.
Iran has many remote areas that are populated. Their military equipment is decades behind, and Israel gets all their equipment from the US.
The comparison here is very stark; in a single strike Israel managed to cripple Iran's nuclear program, kill a lot of leadership that has been around since their revolution, and completely eradicate all of their radar and early warning systems on the West side of the country.
The best response Iran has? Just over 100 drones. Most of them got shot down before they even reached Israel.
Israel gets a free pass on bullying anyone they see fit in the Middle East.
Iran has 82 million inhabitants.
The amount of people willing to die for this regime is much much smaller. 16% are Azerí, 10% Kurds and 2% Balochi, all groups who would rather die than fight for the IRI. Not that this would stop the IRI from pressing 15 year olds into service, but there wouldn't be many volunteers.
This website
You realize Lemmy is a network of federated servers right? Like, I’m not on the same website as you but you’re reading my message.
A lot of people don't, they just know it's where to go when you get fed up with reddit
It's not just their total disconnect from history (were they born yesterday?), it's their translating scorn for Israel's actions in the region to mean that Israel's opponents must be the good guys.
Iran has been under the control of two different mullahs for the last 45 years. Just because the Shah was bad doesn't make the Ayatollahs good.
Hamas and Hezbollah are literally terrorist organizations, and Hamas holds onto power in Gaza by oppression and violence. If they both weren't getting massive support from Iran, there might be a negotiating partner for Israel in Palestine like Arafat was.
Without Iran's support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
Israel is literally a terrorist country.
Yeah the entire discourse about this conflict here is even more stupider than on reddit
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website.
Which social website do you know that is all facts and no feelings, please tell me, I wanna move there. And make it decentralized too, so no bozo can buy it tomorrow and make it shit too.
PS: got some quotes from reddit that show what people who think just like you think of other websites:
DigitalDash56 [score hidden] 2 minutes ago
Twitter is funny. Apparently Tel Aviv is smoldering crater and the state of Israel is a mere hours from collapsing
[–]tigernike1 [score hidden] a minute ago
That’s what Reddit says about Iran. Neither are true.
I don't believe anyone is saying Iran is capable of doing it, just that it'd be a good day when it finally does happen.
Israel has all the best toys from their sugar-daddy America. Of course a handful of out-dated Iranian drones won't do shit.
In the last 24 hours I had the pleasure of interacting with multiple users who are 100% sure Iran is stronger than Israel.
Since Zionist colonialism began, the region has been drawn from one conflict to another. It operates like a cancerous tumor.
Iran's current regime has committed many crimes, while I hate them, I also hate Israel who's committing an active genocide. Israel is a foreign entity, Iran is not. Today its Iran, tomorrow its some other country.
The title suggest that Israel's bombing in the first place was New Hope?
I doubt they can beat the US, but I hope Iran wins.
Terrorists like Israel need to be eliminated.
I'd rather prefer both sides losing.
And then a proper democratic revolution on both sides again.
Yes please! I can't stand either regime.
Lemmy straight up cheering theocratic terrorists
Israel, Iran, or the US?
Yes.
The Iranian regime is fucking awful, the Israeli one is just even more awful such that Iran still seem like the good guys in comparison. Its like two assholes fighting, they're both assholes but one clearly started it.
Do you really want Iran to have nukes though?
Just because Israel are horrible, doesn't automatically make the people they're fighting the good guys.
Honestly no but if I lived in a country or bloc without nukes myself I'd want my government to get them because its the only way to not get randomly regime changed whenever the US, UK or Russia feels like it. Totally understandable why they would want them.
given how the US lost so many recent wars, I wouldn't consider the US a military power.
they are great at funneling taxpayer money to shareholders pockets. but they can't win against the protest people in the world.
they invade, try to set up a puppet state, then leave with the tail between their legs.