People always forget that Star Trek is post-apocalytic science fiction.
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Aliens, holodecks, and regularly breaking the laws of physics? Kid stuff.
Humans actually learning from their mistakes? Now that’s what takes a leap of imagination.
It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
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In our defense, it is VERY post-apocalyptic, like 400 years or so depending on where you tag in.
It's not like the bombs dropped yesterday and all of a sudden they have holodecks and microwaves that make food out of raw materials and transporters and warp drives.
If you consider our technology in 1625 versus today, Having that kind of tech in 2425 seems perfectly reasonable.
In our defense, it is VERY post-apocalyptic, like 400 years or so depending on where you tag in.
According to Star Trek canon, all the apocalyptic stuff lasts for about a century, tops. The Eugenics Wars started in 1992 (pre-retcon to make them happen further in the future), the nuclear exchange happened no later than 2053, the Vulcans showed up in 2063, and Earth society appeared to be completely recovered by 2121 (the time of Enterprise).
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Jokes on you, it's Star Trek in the year 2025. It's about to get a lot worse before it gets better.
We missed the eugenics wars of the 1990s and the nuclear wars of the 2020s so far, and the 2024 Bell Riots in San Francisco. I do agree it will get worse, but not to the degree seen in The Star Trek Universe.
That would cause an actual class war where the slave class (not the owner class) revolts against the owner class
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The Culture. Which is all of the above plus friendly superintelligent AI to run it for us.
Ding ding ding. The Culture is Star Trek ++.
Gene manipulation that's so effective you can just will yourself to change sexes, get stoned, be performance-enhanced, whatever
You never have to work if you don't want to.
It's so utopian most of the stories have to take place outside it, because paradise gets boring.
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Earth’s presence in the Federation says we survived. Environmental collapse, wars, etc. didn’t condemn us to extinction. Yes, it got ugly but we made it and we reached the stars. Star Trek gives us hope.
Ad Astra Per Aspera
And on the opposite side we have "I'd rather be human trafficed into a nazi concentration camp than spend even 5 minutes in the universe of Warhammer 40K."
I'm sorry, like, I would choose 5 minutes in Warhammer 40K versus the Nazi death camps.
My overweight native ass would be tortured to death over the period of several months, whereas five minutes in Warhammer 40k, like maybe I catch a stray bullet, maybe I get gang raped by orcs, but more than likely I survive, and I'm relatively unharmed.
Based on what I know, 99% of humans live in hive worlds and will never see conflict. The stories, the wars? Galaxy wide - like just looking at a map of the galaxy and how long space travel takes? Not just the warp traitors, but orks and Nids with their "proper" propulsion? The worst most humans will face is Darktide-style incursions of rot under a hive, and even then the upper levels may not even be aware of such.
The far and wide galaxy of Warhammer may certainly not be good, as theres settings like Star Trek where no matter where you go youre rocking a good time - but idk the worst most humans have to deal with is god-aweful mismanagement and ineffective government of the hive, maybe a Mechanicus comes to town and calls people "pre-servitors" for awhile and then fucks off back to Mars. The cities are beautiful when they're not on fire. Chances of being born to a mundane non-hellscape and living and dying with nothing happening are pretty good tbh
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With the assumption I can choose who I am, I would argue that Banks' Culture would be my choice. The Culture as a whole is much less vulnerable due to its size and scale and their technology is more advanced. Want cool space adventures? Join Contact or just go travel around in another civilization. Magic adventures? The sleep games and VR is like holodecks but on steroids. Want to live forever? No problem (although it's frowned upon).
Agreed, but honestly either is ok. I'd prefer the Minds ruling me to humans too.
The main thing that would scare me is the Megadeath scenarios from the Idiran war.
But that seems like a pretty rare thing. Also, they seem to be a lot better at the sex and drugs thing than ST, as well as how they handle crime.
Coming after these guys is Neal Asher's Polity. It's like Culture "lite", And the robots are a bit less "extra".
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"Gay space communism" is my new favorite description for Star Trek.
"Fully automated luxury gay space communism" is the full phrase fyi
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Star Trek. I can live on Earth free of the stress of being disabled with mental illness in a capitalist hell. The worst thing I'd have to worry about is some kind of alien invasion that gets thwarted by the crew of the Enterprise from time to time. I'd rather have to deal with the latest Doom Cruiser from Beyond the Stars now and then than have to worry about if I'll be able to afford groceries this month.
Tell that to the victims of Wolf 359.
Don't be in Starfleet, and don't be a scientist on a remote outpost.
Ok, so remote Federation scientists seem to suffer a lot in ST, but I wonder how much of that is survivor bias. I mean, we can assume redshirt casualty rates are fairly consistent across starships, although that could be a leadership issue; but what if there's a vast population of remote research outposts and only a very tiny fraction ever gets in trouble? We just don't know. The Federation is enormous, and covers a vast 3d volume - if there are outposts even slightly evenly distributed across the surface of that volume, we'd be looking at a large population. More researchers probably die from slipping on food spills than rogue revived eugenics war corpcicles.
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So long as you're in the right timeline/universe. I'm not sure I'd fit into the Terran Empire that well.
Also the Culture, Star Trek on ultra steroids.
No, don't live on Earth in Star Trek.
As the functional capital of the federation and HQ of starfleet, its like living in DC comics Metropolis. Every damned alien race capable of plotting has a secret plot on Earth. Whether its some weird parasitic bugs taking over the admiralty, the borg, the romulans, the Dominion, or the upstart of the week, the casualty/injury rate has to be pretty horrific.
Mars is theoretically ideal, but get targeted because of the massive public shipyards, so it has a time limit of being good.
Jupiter, however, has less well known shipyards and all those moons to explore. It never gets outright attacked or destroyed, even the Borg just go past it. Jupiter is the place to be.
You want an m class planet, not just a dome. There are tons of nice planets that were early colonies that are fully developed now.
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It's all fun and games until they literally atomize your entire body, assemble totally different atoms in a totally different place so they take on your former shape and call that "beaming."
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It's quite easy too. UBI.
Musk has a good talking point about a Star Trek future instead of skynet. But he is part of the cabal going for skynet. Just because Skynet will be programmed for US government and military supremacy in political service to its zionist oligarchy, doesn't make skynet less of your enemy.
Just want to point out that The Enterprise is like the nicest, most exclusive, most elite ship in the Federation. Most people living in the Star Trek universe don't have access to replicators or holodecks or highly-trained doctors.
Like it's basically a super cruise ship with all the bells and whistles. Even if you're onboard, chances are you're a lower decks crew member.
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