"WE are the world leader" Jesus Christ America give it a rest for once 😂
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Full page "No Kings" ad in the New York Times, paid for by Wal-mart heiress Christy Walton
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Hey! Be reasonable. We're the leaders in lots of things! Obesity, maternal mortality relative to our medical technology, incarceration rates, destitution from medical expenses, incompetent and corrupt rapist executives... All sorts of things!
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
- Getting the message out to the public and media with sufficient funds and/or volunteer hours
- Obtaining a critical mass for a movement to effect change
- Purity testing members for their status, secondary beliefs or past transgressions
You can reasonably pick two out of three. ITT there's a lot of the 3rd thing going on, do we really need that?
Headline describing a good thing being met with scores of comments explaining how actually this is a bad thing is incredibly prevent all over Lemmy.
I don't know if it's because people feel like cynicism makes them informed or smart or cool, or if it's just the left wing manifestation of "don't believe what the media tells you sheeple" but it's like clockwork.
while a nice message don’t hesitate to remind yourself Walton is a capitalist and fully understands the marketing here.
To be fair... She married into the family and is known as a philanthropist.
neat.
You do realize that's textbook nouveau riche, right?
I most certainly do not as I have never heard or seen that phrase in my lifetime.
Old money doesn't flaunt it. They don't have to, when they pull all the strings.
1000 percent.
the minute any Walton has to "pay-up" their contributions will stop.
The rich DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU. Only THEIR bottom line.
They dont care about the peasants getting rounded up and losing rights. What they're upset is being taxed "unfairly". Walmart's products are all largely imported, therefore heavily affected by tarrifs. It just happens for a moment, their enemy is our enemy for now.
This is all just moral posturing because trump’s insanity is hurting Walmart’s bottom line.
Always follow the money. Trump reckless destroying of international trade relations hurts Walmart’s quarterly/annual growth.
IF trump DIDN’T hurt Walmart’s bottom line, she would NOT CARE that he’s a tyrant.
Even if that's the case, someome trying to help organise mass protests against the shit stain is a good thing.
Doesn't mean "billionaire good all of a sudden"
Not necessarily, this Walton married into the family and her husband died 20 years ago. She has no power in the company besides having money from her dead husband who happened to be a Walton. One interesting fact about her husband is that he was featured in a documentary about crop dusting in Mississippi weirdly enough https://youtu.be/5q5ADURTie0.
Imagine being a millionaire (if not billionaire) and not able to hire someone to buy a domain and build a quick website.
There's a website for this already and it has the name and QR code in the ad
Yeah, noticed that too. Seems strange to let Google read all her emails on this topic.
MAGAts pretending to boycott the only store they can afford to shop at.
NGL, a Walton family member's involvement in this really just makes it look bad and even makes me question whether there's some sort of malicious ulterior goal to be achieved here. Of course I understand that Christy Walton is a human being fully capable of coming to right conclusions and having real emotional and ethical concerns even in contradiction to her background, as many people do. But is she actually that sort of person? Or is she the other type, and she's playing a cynical game and manipulating the masses for some covert benefit to herself? Unfortunately there's no way to tell.
I'm not familiar with the organization, but it looks like they're just advocating for a more stable version of capitalism, which doesn't challenge the Waltons or Walmart in any way. It could even be as cynical as "don't deport our minimum wage workers" because hiring is expensive.
Also, anyone who ties their identity and virtue to being citizens of a genocidal settler colony that has trampled over human rights and dignity in pretty much every corner of the world is, at best, a bit sus.
Yeah, agreed. But it's unfortunate that this is now being intermixed with other movements pertaining to all of this which more directly are concerned with capitalism. Feels like an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of dynamic, which is more than a little risky - especially when the enemy of my enemy is a much more powerful entity than I am, I run the risk of my message being completely drowned out by theirs.
Totally valid concerns. Capitalists love to co-opt their opposition.
"If"? We're still debating the chance of being fucked from a different direction by essentially the same 1%?
This country is fucking doomed.
Do I think Walton is one of these "good ones"? No, I don't. But I can't deny that there's no way for me to tell for sure. I don't believe she is, but the plausible deniability this provides her creates problematic dynamics, which is why I made my comment. Of course I believe that this is a cynical game on Walton's part, I'm only saying that we can't know for sure when it comes to this sort of activism, which is disturbing and problematic for movements, because it muddies the waters. It gives plausible deniability and confuses people in the middle, not to mention giving ammunition to the conservatives who want to claim that all these movements are billionaire funded ploys. "No Kings" is Walmart associated now? Now you need disclaimers to specify you don't like them either. It's disheartening to see (what I believe was a grassroots?) movements being co-opted by the wealthy and powerful as yet another way of the system integrating dissent to it's own benefit. It makes me think it may be necessary to form movements radical enough that they intrinsically cannot be adopted by the system - but of course such movements have proportionately more difficulty gathering support.
As an aside, I've noticed that I often get really reactionary responses to my comments like this on Lemmy when I say something that even hints at a possibility of reality being different from the dominant cultural narrative on the site, even when I in fact agree with that narrative. But even acknowledging the ways in which that narrative might be wrong is met with hostility. Nuance is an important thing, but it's unfortunate that I have to be so painstakingly precise with anything that even has the scent of countercultural thinking just to get my point across. The defensiveness and jumping to antagonistic conclusions is not a good thing to cultivate.
That's a shit argument, and I'm willing to bet you already know that
Which part is shit? The post you reply to is a bit longer and I am willing to bet you already know that.
To name one: the dream of starting, much less organizing, a massive era-changing movement at the scale capable of nationwide impactful and lasting change without billionaire (et al) connections that stretch beyond funding alone... is a shit plan, but it's got heart and it feels good.
So, sure, let's get those flyers out. We'll do this like Norman Rockwell would've, had he been cast as the propagandist art lead for the plebs-with-the-truth rebel fighters in Man In The High Castle. That went great for the V For Vendetta marks, amirite? Do we get masks, too? How else would we know what's up without secret badges or members only jackets? What's the move, btw? To bypass the whole "vilified by the media" stage of our heroic resistance — or, we just throwing out the entirety of Modern Uprising 101 core curriculum?
FWIW, the last section's a bit whiny on the "aw, but I don't want to be accurate and precise in my statements that require brevity and a familiarity with their content that affords me the ability to speak to fellow citizens of vastly differing backgrounds". This is at the core of every single fucking conversation in life, FFS. You can choose to ignore it, or you can choose to leverage it, but whinging about the way people communicate in "anonymity" is wasting your time, and hope, really.
Hey, such a good reply! Thank you.
Argument? I'm agreeing with you. What do you think we're even arguing about? And please don't insinuate that I'm posting in bad faith just because you think I disagree with you.
No, you're not. It's telling that you think you are, though.
Yes, we are agreeing. It's telling that you think we aren't, though.