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[–] ImWaitingForRetcons@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

And to be fair, Europe thrived a lot more after the plague, since massive labour shortages meant the value of labour shot up dramatically, improving the quality of life and culminating in the Renaissance.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The plague is actually what ended feudalism in Europe.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Not having to worry about managing your surplus sons helped a whole lot. Sending them out to crusade against the heathens took a lot of coordination and energy. Plague reversed that problem real fast.

[–] theUwUhugger@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

In the west! In the east? They switched to less laborious methods if need be, in fact laws were passed so that serf could no longer migrate away from their lords; making them the closest we have ever had to slavery with exception to the slaves we had

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

IIRC the plague was also the thing that invented surnames.

Before you were just John, but after you had to travel to other cities and there might already be a John so you became John Smith or John

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

More of the fleas’ fault than the rats.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yersinia pestis actually kills fleas. It causes a blockage in their intestines, causing them to starve. That means they will sting a lot in a futile attempt to get sustenance, but all that happens is that they regurgitate YP into the victim. It's a really neat mechanism but very unethical. I hope modern bioweapons labs have vegan alternatives.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It wasn't actually the rats that caused the plague, fleas and other people were the largest vectors not rats. rats are actually really similar to cats and spend a lot of time cleaning themselves

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If a carrier's planes sink an enemy ship, is it not a kill for the carrier as well?

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Iirc the plague killed rats too so the rat isn't exactly a willing carrier. Besides that logic works for human to human transmission too.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think rats are ever willingly carriers of disease. Almost no one is (except for very weird people)

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think rats are ever willingly carriers of disease.

Skavens lore it a nutshell.

Even they don't really like the Nurgle Rats. There's an appropriate amount of plague spreading and they get way too into it!

[–] Darjuz@feddit.it 5 points 1 week ago

It was not the rats who bringed the plague but the flea/parasite what the rats hosted.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

"Thriving" is a bit strong.

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The Misadventures of Flapjack has an episode where the kid has a rat that flings ticks at people that fuck with the kid. It uses it's tail like a whip.They all instantly get the black plague. So fuckt up and funny.

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Same thing we do every night, Pinky