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Republican lawmakers in Texas have once again introduced a bill that tries to shove fetal personhood into carpool lane regulations. This time, however, the bill passed the House after an amendment from Democrats to include all mothers, whether their children are in the car or not. The dangerous proposal that could further entrench the idea of personhood into state law now goes to the Senate for consideration.

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[–] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 69 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

This isn't just a horrifically-misleading headline, it's straight-up false.

The bill originally was written to directly establish personhood of a fetus, but Democrats got an amendment in that keeps the "pregnant mothers get to use the carpool lane" part, without the language that establishes personhood for a fetus. They literally called the Republicans' bluff on "this bill is about supporting mothers", by making that specific. This caused one Republican to retract his vote, because the amendment "guts the pro-life purpose of the bill".

[–] MerrySkeptic@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Don't you know people who use the Internet can't be bothered to read the article!

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 hours ago

Some of us are completely illiterate!

[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

I might believe democrats are playing 4d chess if they ever accomplished anything that didn’t get used against them.

[–] Goretantath@lemm.ee 5 points 4 hours ago

How do cops determine if a woman is pregnant or beer bellied though? They make em pee on a stick they carry with the breathalyzer?

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 1 points 27 minutes ago

It's still a stupid waste of everyone's time.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 58 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

IMHO, HOV lanes were originally intended to encourage carpooling and getting cars off the road. Since nobody under 16 could even potentially be (legally) driving on their own, they shouldn't count as occupants at all.

Two+ adults required.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 31 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This makes sense, but how about the soccer moms carrying 6 kids. Would rather them make it about seats filled by breathing humans.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 38 minutes ago

This be clear, what if that soccer mom were carpooling for the team/neighborhood? We’re not just talking about someone with a lot of kids.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.snekerpimp.space 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They are pay-to-win where I am, can be just you in your 2014 v10 expedition as long as you pay the $5.50 a mile toll.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Correct, even in progressive CA we have that. Granted, it's like $30 bucks during rush hour but I've seen it used by the worst of humanity.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 3 points 7 hours ago

If the fetus is allowed to own a gun, it should count.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

You say that like children just won't go anywhere instead. All your thought here would do would be requiring parents to drive their children in separate cars. So it's essentially the same thing.

Also don't we do enough in this country to make children's lives terrible? Don't we pile enough injustices on them? Do you really need another way to tell them they don't count as people? Another way to tell them they have no rights?

[–] radix@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

If riding in normal lanes on the highway instead of getting special access is "having no rights as people" we are a long way apart on what "human rights" really means.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 33 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

This is sexist against fathers and therefore unconstitutional.

Bill text:

Sec. 545.429. USE OF HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLE LANE BY CERTAIN OPERATORS. (a) Subject to Subsection (b), a female operator of a motor vehicle who is pregnant or is a parent or legal guardian of another person is entitled to use any high occupancy vehicle lane in this state regardless of the number of occupants in the motor vehicle.

Texas Constitution:

ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS

Sec. 3a. EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged because of sex, race, color, creed, or national origin. This amendment is self-operative.


What this would actually do (once the test case ruled that it would have to apply to fathers too) is destroy HOV lanes entirely by making everybody able to use them, since the state would have the burden of proof to show that the driver has never had children.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Wouldn't maternity leave also be sexist with that logic?

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

That's why on the first world we have paternity leave. I as a father even had breastfeeding breaks, with the intention of giving the same rights to both parents.

[–] pahlimur@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

In somewhat decent states we have it. Oregon does 12 weeks paternity leave and allows it to be intermittent. I did 2 days off for several months recently for our newest screaming asshole of a baby.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I was with you right up to the breastfeeding breaks, what exactly is the game plan for that break?

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Pumped milk can be stored in a bottle and taken with you anywhere you want. I'm told it's very convenient.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

Snacks on the go

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There's a material difference between the impact of pregnancy on mothers and fathers (though the latter should also get leave, but I understand if someone argues that mothers need more to recover physically).

This has no bearing on which lane one can use.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 2 hours ago

If you're a transgender man who can get pregnant, I don't see why you cannot use the HOV lane 🫃

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Well, yeah.

But also maternity leave isn't even in the law here in the US anyway (maybe some states have it for all I know, but even if so I doubt Texas is among them), so it's equal-opportunity shittiness and the clause I cited doesn't really apply.

[–] Ghostbanjo1949@lemmy.mengsk.org 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Came here to say this too. This just makes HOV pointless.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

They're not managed at all anyway. This just paves the way towards pulling up the little bumpy things that divide the HOV from the rest of the road.

[–] Ghostbanjo1949@lemmy.mengsk.org 1 points 26 minutes ago

Maybe in Texas, but other states I've lived in they are definitely managed and enforced.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 1 points 29 minutes ago

In my experience , they're pretty much already useless anyway.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 33 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Fair game to collect life insurance on miscarriages now right? My wife has one every month or so, and why yes, I am the beneficiary.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't you need to take out insurance first

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, but if fetuses are people, you should be able to take out a policy at about 6 weeks.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Depends on the company's regulations. For example, I think it's harder to take out a life insurance policy if you're on death's door

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 4 hours ago

I'd assume the company

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 hours ago

Good point that makes sense!

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 24 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

Why help them establish that fetus=person?

(Edit: Having seen the other comments including the language of the bill, it makes more sense.)

[–] eRac@lemmings.world 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They didn't. They made mothers able to use HOV lanes without a second occupant, blocking the GOP's attempts to use HOV lanes to normalize fetal personhood.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, makes more sense now. Thanks

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

That’s what I tell my GF; these measures aren’t about taking care of the fetus. They’re about establishing law supporting unborn ‘rights’ vs the mother’s. Requiring child support for carrying mothers? Just another law designed to legitimize unborn/fetal personhood. Sure, it sounds good on paper, but let’s instead work on protecting a woman’s medical privacy rights and rights to abortion. Then if we want to develop additional rights around that supporting HOV lanes, medical treatment, pregnancy leave, and child support? Sure, let’s do it.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 8 points 8 hours ago
[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 hours ago

HB 2462 passed on Saturday by a vote of 130-2, with all Democrats present voting yes. Notably, Cain voted against it and said in a statement explaining his vote that he did so because Rep. Hinojosa’s amendment “guts the pro-life purpose of the bill.” He wrote, “As originally written, the bill recognized that the unborn child was an additional occupant. The amendment totally disregards this principle.” This should really give the fetal personhood game away: He only cared about defining an “unborn child” as a person.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 hours ago

I want my state, a smaller blue state, to start using this same logic. Namely, I think we should, using donor cells and cloning techniques, arrange to have 100 million frozen embryos sitting in freezers in the state capital. Logically, if embryos are people, then those 100 million embryos should count as citizens for the sake of Congressional representation and federal funding.

[–] btmf@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ma'am I need you to step out for a field pregnancy test please. STOP RESISTING PEE ON THE STICK

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

They don't have to be in the car. So i don't know how you prove it. You take care of Grandma and file her as a dependent, if you're female I believe you qualify to drive around in the HOV lane. Take care of Grandma and file her as a dependent as a male, you don't qualify if I'm reading this bill correctly. Or maybe dependents like that aren't considered part of guardianship? Not sure. It all sounds dumb.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 8 hours ago

How is this dangerous? Sounds pretty based.

[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

Well this is fucking stupid.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 2 points 30 minutes ago

How is everyone involved in this not mortally fucking embarrassed over even discussing this stupidity with any seriousness?

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Claim the fetus on the taxes

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Next step: define sperms as fetuses

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