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Teens have access to vastly more potent cannabis than their parents had at their age. Parents need to understand the risks, including psychosis

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 161 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

I worked inpatient psych for a long time, and can tell you first-hand the link between psychosis and cannabis is real. No, this does not mean "if you smoke weed you're going to get psychotic!" What it does mean is that if you're someone with a genetic predisposition for schizophrenia (e.g. you have a known family history) weed is a potential trigger for a psychotic episode. If someone has already developed schizophrenia, smoking weed can make their symptoms worse and more difficult to manage with medications.

80% of people coming through the psych hospital, whatever, I don't care if you smoke weed. Honestly, I wish people would smoke weed rather than use meth, K2, or a bunch of other drugs that fuck people up. But for that subset of people prone to psychotic episodes, the conversation centers around "some people can smoke weed and be fine, and you are not one of those people."

The most common ages for men to develop first episode psychosis are 18-25, and while it's dumb that this article focuses on teenagers, the risk in that age group is genuinely higher. This article really is dumb overall and does not explain any of this well

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The article, most of all, misses that it's about CBD to THC ratio, not raw overall cannabinoid content. CBD is an antipsychotic and on the cusp of getting the stamp of approval for treating schizophrenia. Strains on the street, in the meantime, have been bred for THC at the expense of CBD because it's THC which gives a head-high, makes consumers believe they got strong stuff.

The deeper question, overall, is why we live in a society which prompts people to take anxiolytics to cope.

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[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I switched from drinking too much alcohol too often (wine, beer, etc) to occasionally dry vaping weed about 8 years ago. And from my mental and physical perspective it was a extreme shift to the better.

So I would even include alcohol in your list.

And I wouldn't let my kids use weed as long as long as I am capable to control that aspect.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Alcohol can make you feel like shit and can do great damage if used too often, but meth and K2 can fuck someone's brain up after even one use due to lack of quality control

[–] MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hey I work in inpatient psych too and want to back you up. It’s totally a known observation that patients have been coming in younger and younger. And it’s very common to see a history of drug use of some kind (yeah usually for kids it’s weed, if not polysubstance).

Sad to see because once they start coming back to the hospital a few times, it’s like they’re in the system so to speak. Too many kids don’t break out of that cycle. I always discharge kids like, “I hope to never see you again. Don’t come back here” lol.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Help me out here. I read the symptoms of psychosis, and I've definitely experienced those a couple times but only when I get super baked. But when it wears off I'm normal again.

What am I missing? To me this sounds like there's a link between bad driving and people that drink which is like "duh" to me.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 18 points 3 days ago

Substance-insuced psychosis (psychotic symptoms while you're intoxicated) is a different diagnosis than a psychotic episode. That psychotic symptoms are not due to substance intoxication is actually one of the criteria of a psychotic episode. What I'm talking about are people for whom weed can trigger a psychotic episode that doesn't go away after the high wears off.

[–] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Wikipedia will be a much better source, but my understanding is that psychosis can be a temporary symptom, or it can be a permanent health condition that calls for medical treatment.

Psychoactive drugs like marijuana, mushrooms, LSD, etc. can trigger permanent psychotic health condition on people who have genetic traits predisposed to such conditions.

It's like a genetic game of roulette whenever any of us smoke it-- it could be the beginning of a very difficult health condition to manage for the rest of our lives.

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[–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Just to add to your (excellent) comment; in the UK you can be prescribed medical marijuana but it has to be done by a consultant level doctor and a multi disciplinary trial. The most important disqualifying factor is any history of psychosis, if they see that on your medical records they will not write you a prescription.

So I would a assume there is some published medical literature they are following which states cannabis exacerbates the symptoms of psychosis.

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 122 points 3 days ago (13 children)

This article blows. “Genetically modifying” cannabis for higher THC content? You mean breeding, like every other plant grown for consumption?

[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Listen, I tell my countrymen all the time: we want to legalize, but only "low grade* to "mid grade". I.e not high grade. We're kind of strict though, almost dry state. Why?

Skunk and the likes have been bred to maximize THC content at the cost of the CBD content. The problem there being that THC is psychoactive and in strong amounts can even be sort of psychedelic, whereas CBD is an antipsychotic that counteracts the negative effecta THC has.

The bigger nut though - and this is the frustrating part - THC can never actually cause psychosis, but can bring out latent psychotic tendencies or be part and parcel of bringing onset psychosis - but a drunken stooper or even an intense run could do that too.

When it comes to high grade tho: do not fuck around with it. If you've never tried cannabis, make sure you don't get a skunk type strain or anything that is deemed "heavy". It's not necessary anyway, it's just a stupid trend between bros to try to out stone or out high each other. "Ooo, I'm the most high! ha ha ha ha"

It's been an arms race between breeder for decades now regarding maximizing THC content, but let me just say gtfo here with that noise. Give me a working man's spliff any day, thank you very much. We're supposed to function as well.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago (17 children)

That’s fine to have your own opinion but don’t restrict my rights to grow the stickiest of the icky. Sometimes I want to roast a fat joint and be functional. Sometimes I just want to sleep without toking for a half hour. One hit shit absolutely has its place, and with accurate labeling, you can be the judge.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I strongly disagree with that view. The stronger the strain, the less you have to smoke or vape to get a desired effect. Smoking, in particular, has well-documented side effects, including COPD.

Your beliefs about the psychopharmacology of THC and CBD are simplistic. The actual mechanisms (and number of different cannabinoids involved) are far more complex.

Go ahead and choose the strength that suits you, but don't presume that gives you the right to impose that choice on others.

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[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Beware of the gEneTiC MoDifICaTiOn!!!!!!!!!!

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 74 points 3 days ago (1 children)

he had had persistent delusions for more than six months. Sam was fully convinced that the government was following him and constantly surveilling him

That's not a delusion tho.

[–] Zippygutterslug@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The government probably is surveilling them.

https://dnyuz.com/2025/04/30/this-is-what-we-were-always-scared-of-doge-is-building-a-surveillance-state/

Also, anecdotes are not evidence unless you've got a brain worm.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You know, I'm not really interested in a long anecdote about Sam and his father. It doesn't add any real information.
I had hoped to read about the actual evidence.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The war on drugs has made research into cannabis difficult and compared to alcohol and tobacco, we are practically blind. Legalization has changed this and we should pay attention.

The only thing to match the propaganda of the drug war is the CBD cure-all craze. I think that it's wise to do some basic research so that one day we can have an informed opinion rather than a knee jerk reaction.

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

As a someone who studied biology: at an early age, you don't want more neuroplasticity. You already have enough. More may do you harm, and cannabis gives more, so cannabis may do you harm.

When you're 70 and your neural networks are set in stone, do consider what could safely increase neuroplasticity. But whatever you consume, don't consume it by inhaling smoke. :)

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[–] vane@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

He “dabbled” with other substances as well (Xanax, Ecstasy)

Yeah sure it's cannabis.... I have no words.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The link between diabetics and insulin is real

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[–] blargle@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Teens have access to vastly more potent cannabis than their parents had at their age

Oh FFS. I've been hearing this same bullshit for the last 25 years and it's still irrational Reefer Madness conservative fearmongering.

So what? If anything, more potent weed is less harmful because you are putting a smaller amount of burned plant material into your lungs to get the same effect.

It's not like people just... consume one marijuana and however high that gets you, that's what you're going with today. No, you're going to continue smoking until you get sufficiently stoned and then stop and put it out.

It doesn't take long for anyone to figure out how high is too high and how much it takes to get there, and plan accordingly.

It might be a vape pen with 92% THC hash oil in it so you take a couple of sippy little puffs and get mildly buzzed and you're fine with that. Or conversely you can pack up a handful of that leafy brown prohibition-era crap and do gravity bongs until you cough your lungs out, and get a lot higher, because that was your goal.

They sell those oil-soaked kif-encrusted joints here. You do not want to finish one in one sitting. The point of these isn't to get insanely baked, it's that one good hit will do it and you can put it out and save it in the glass jar it came in.

As others have explained already- if you have the kind of brain prone to psychosis, weed is likely to push you over the edge- and that's likely to happen when you're a teenager, because lots of people try it at that age- but something else would have triggered it a few years later. And yes it's just universally worse for adolescent brains. It is already illegal, everywhere it's legal, for people under 21, which is reasonable. But parents need to parent.

The idea that we can and should protect the kids who are predisposed to go schizo by keeping the available cannabis weak enough that no one can smoke enough of it to ever get really high is just absurd when you phrase it that way but that's exactly what anyone pushing this "It's so much more potent now!" pearl-cluching FUD is trying to sell you.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

For me it’s real simple: I talk to my kids about drug use and its negative impact on their growing minds and bodies. Like any growing organism, they need good food, fresh air, plenty of water, and exercise. Smoking, drinking, and drugs do not provide any of that, and all I ask of them is to wait until they are older.

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[–] voltaric@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Wow they fail basic science. Correlation does not equal causation. More gateway drug scare in its modern form.

[–] x_cell@slrpnk.net 26 points 3 days ago (38 children)

No, they don't "fail basic science". They point out that there is a correlation and we need better studies, but the mere existence of the correlation is worrying, especially considering a lot of recent studies are confirming the link between cannabis and teen psychosis. A lot of the early studies on the harm of cigarettes started similarly. Correlation between lung cancer and smoking tobacco doesn't imply causation, but it's one hell of an alarm bell.

The author of the article themselves doesn't say cannabis is a gateway drug and even recognizes that asking people to just not use it isn't realistic.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My concern is another Reefer Madness type of propaganda campaign. We need legit, replicable and replicated studies. I don't indulge anymore, for several reasons. Most were practical but also unrelated to health/employment.

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[–] voltaric@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They fail to explore systemic correlations and hyperfocus on cannabis. I am claiming they are repeating reactionary history instead of systemic analysis. Focusing on what is wrong with the individual rather than the system that bore them.

The article is an opinion as stated at the bottom.

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[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm wondering about dosage here, really. As a kid, I smoked weed like maybe once a week but I knew kids who were constantly high all day, every day. We called them "permafried" and some even self-identified that way as a matter of pride.

Hopefully, with further study and research, we can get more information about the actual risk to teens with a variety of usage patterns. Then it's a matter of education so that they're aware of the risk before they're presented with the choice to smoke.

[–] Zippygutterslug@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The problem is, a bunch of people with very limited drug experience sharing their anecdotal stories isn't evidence. It's just a story.

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[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

This shouldn’t be controversial. It’s been known for about a decade now if not longer.

[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Lmfao, what if we started smoking the green because of low grade psychosis? Chicken or egg that.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Remember not all studies on the health effects of substance use are there to advocate that the substance be made illegal. Smoking as a example is still around and there are countless studies available to the public to make informed decisions.

Substance use should be up to the individual like all choices that can effect you directly, "my body my choice" so to say. All individuals should have access to all knowledge available freely and without prejudice.

Studies on cannabis use becoming more common should be seen as a good thing, as cannabis use has become less taboo and thus easier to study without researcher receiving backlash.

Now you may disagree with some studies, and that is your right. But to advocate against studies related to the substance IMO at least is hypocritical, as it advocates against the very thing that made the substance legal.

I am a non-smoker and have not tried cannabis, but believe people should have the freedom to choose

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