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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 147 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I'm currently training a new employee who comes from the "My school handed out Chromebooks" generation, and hol...eee...shit... Its frustrating as hell.

Literally every single instruction gets followed up with "no...double click"

FML

[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 54 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I am that generation, but I was blessed enough (not dirt poor) to have a family Windows PC at home, and my mom got me a HP laptop later because she knew I was gonna be going to a tech school program in my Junior year, and knew that Chromebooks were dogshit.

My tech teacher would constantly complain about the kids who had like zero Windows knowledge, and couldn't do shit like open a PDF in word, or simply find the terminal. I knew this shit would happen when I was in school, I literally told my mom that anyone who can't afford a windows device at home is fucked in the work environment. Compounded by the fact most teens are iPhone purists and make fun of Android, they're just too used to "shit just works"

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)
[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 38 points 3 days ago (4 children)

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/opening-pdfs-in-word-1d1d2acc-afa0-46ef-891d-b76bcd83d9c8

Word can open PDFs in word for editing them.

It's honestly more intuitive than opening then with the internet browser (edge).

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[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, I'm having a lot of trouble working with younger hires, and I'm not even 30. If I had to summarize, they're able to do things like memorize button combos, but there's just no comprehension about the how the buttons were only pressed to achieve larger goals.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My favorite part is that my older coworkers are still convinced that Gen Z is super computer savvy.

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[–] minerva@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago (17 children)

I can sympathize from both directions. Teaching my iPad generation nephew to use a Windows PC is a challenge.

At the same time I look like a total incompetent when trying to do anything using the GUI on a Mac. My muscle memory is just plain wrong after 20+ years of Windows and assorted Linux variants I keep clicking in completely the wrong places

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[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 80 points 3 days ago (21 children)

Tbf installing linux is not that hard

[–] darkpanda@lemmy.ca 58 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Back in the day when installing Solaris and OpenBSD and such you had to specify in numerical values the number of sectors of hard disk space you wanted to format drives with. Shit is considerably easier now with modern UNIXy systems.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Back in what day? My first Linux was in the early 2000s, and even back then it wasn't any more complicated than a Windows install.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When I installed Linux for the first time around that time frame, I had to write X configs (for XFree86, not X.org) by hand. And be sure to get your monitor timings exactly right or risk permanent damage, said the scary warning.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago

That was always 'fun'. Trying to find things like the 'front porch' timings was an exercise in frustration at times. Then put it all together and try it, hoping it either worked, or at least didn't go too badly. The 'boiinng' noise sone monitors would make was always a bit alarming.

I ended up soldering together an adapter to convert from VGA to a monitor that took separate red, green and blue inputs with a sync pulse on green. Working out the timings for that was interesting, but I doubt any other PC OS could have driven it.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I've met people that struggle with the concept of shutting a computer down.

You are 100% overestimating the average non-techy

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[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Me reinstalling windows for the 3rd time this year cause of some bsod:

  • yes
  • yes
  • yes
  • choose language
  • partition
  • log into forced account
  • no to telemetry 20x
  • sell your sole, give your personality up for theft to an aI and agree to never sue microsoft in their tos
  • reboot
  • find some guide on internet to follow step by step while I type commands into 20 different terminals, open 4 different control panels and use regedit to reduce the bloatware and spyware.

Me installing advanced user linux for the first time after previous process did not fix monster hunter from crashing:

  • choose language
  • partition
  • launch linux for first time
  • rpm fusion for nvidia drivers
  • reboot

If I had known linux runs games better I would have switched years ago.

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[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 62 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Linux users are inherently more tech savvy because there are no limits. On the contrary, there is documentation and free knowledge aplenty. Windows and especially Mac hide and obfuscate everything happening under the hood and you are vaguely warned away from doing anything not specifically blessed by the corporation. That's why those users are less tech savvy on average.

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 33 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Don't jerk yourself off too hard for using linux

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 21 points 3 days ago

Yeah, leave some spunk for the rest of us!

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[–] vrojak@feddit.org 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just the fact that someone is using Linux at all means they are probably tech savvy, simply for the fact they had to install it in their own. If all prebuilds came with Linux, it would likely be the other way around. (Although why someone would, out of free will, go and install Windows is beyond me)

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[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 60 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I grew up with mac, but I was always so frustrated that I couldn't play the games and run the programs my friends could on their computers. I finally bought my own PC in high school, and was so happy to have the control I always wanted. I haven't switched to Linux yet, but at this point it's inevitable; I'm just dragging my feet on figuring it out.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Download VirtualBox, its free and open source. Download a few Linux isos, actual Linux isos, and fire them up in a VM to see what sticks out to you. People usually recommend Mint As a bridge from Windows, personally I'm liking PopOS a lot more than I thought I would. Both are based on Ubuntu which is ubiquitous. I hear a lot about immutable distros, but I haven't ventured there yet. Point is you can figure it out for free and completely without hassle.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 47 points 3 days ago (7 children)

My father made me figure out how to compile Linux drivers for a modem card before I could have internet.

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[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 47 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I started on a Mac and now I'm an IT expert.

But that's because my next computer was a Dell.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

My condolences, on both counts.

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[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago

Year of birth matters a lot for this experiment.

Macintosh versus some IBM (or clone) running MS DOS is a completely different era than Windows Vista versus PowerPC Macs, which was a completely different era from Windows Store versus Mac App Store versus something like a Chromebook or iPad as a primary computing device.

[–] markstos@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Run a second correlation on the incomes of these families and the tech literacy of their children and see what you find. I have a hypothesis.

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[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Looking at the comments, it occurs to me that we're not a representative section of the online community.

Were literally people who went out of their way to not use a conventional/commercial tech product.

I wonder what the % of people on here is who have built a pc, used a raspberry pi or installed Linux compared to the outside world.

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[–] termaxima@programming.dev 31 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Is the hypothesis that Windows being constantly broken forces you to learn how to fix it ? Because that’s kinda what happened to me 😆

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

I used MacOS for a bit, switched to Windows, then when I was 15 I installed Linux :3

Granted I do very much have autism

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[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (9 children)

If you've had to mess around with EMM386 and HIMEM settings to play Wing Commander 2, you win.

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[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

My schools had this growing up. The old single button Macs(I remember this game too).

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We didn’t have a computer in our house until I was ~8. It was blistering quick 400Mhz machine running windows…(Good ol’ slot load processors).

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But the time I was ~11 I had built my own computer. Mother was kind enough to take a leap of faith and set a budget for the project. My parents are absolutely not tech people. So they had no idea what I was doing and could offer no assistance other than monetary. It worked out in the end though.

I work in the tech industry and I’ve had windows boxes, and even a few MacBook pros for work. We deploy stuff to Linux and windows. I have dual Xeon servers running Linux in the basement.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I started on a Mac, and now I live as a nomadic caveman, never contacting the civilized world.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (28 children)

Lemmy Linux bros make me avoid Linux at all costs

[–] damdy@lemm.ee 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been using pop OS for 5 years and barely understand anything at all, we're not all super nerds. I got it to save a bit of upfront money on a new build with the plan to buy windows when I needed it, never needed it.

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[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I enjoyed a lemmy moment in the thread about things the Canadian government needs to do to not be as dependent on the US and the first bullet point in a comment was switch to Linux

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[–] cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Yeah I use Linux but I also hate people who shame people who use windows because it does what they need.

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[–] moriquende@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Keeping you off Linux has been the goal all along

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[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I doubt there would be much difference. I was started on an old brick-style Mac before switching to PC and am now the most technical person in almost any group I enter. It's not as if Mac devices are entirely void of programmers and other technical users.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, Apple computers are disproportionately common at tech conferences and meetups.

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[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

I'm curious what her hypothesis is, I don't think there is a correlation at all personally, seen a ton of people who know nothing about their computers regardless of Mac/Windows as their primary os.

[–] adm@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I learned because I was torrenting and broke the family windows computer. It was either fix it or get grounded.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

My family’s first computer was a 68k Mac, specifically a Quadra 605. I tried (and failed) to teach myself C++ using that system at the tender age of 9, but eventually moved over to Windows PCs. Had a Linux-based web server running on spare parts as a teen, though, and did succeed at teaching myself PHP and later Python well enough to hack together my very own blog software. Not very good blog software, mind you, but the critical thing was that it worked! Even spent a few years as and SMB sysadmin even though my degree is in [building] architecture.

Since then I’ve drifted away from the very deep end of tech world, but I would never say that first Macintosh stunted my skill.

(100% autistic tho, so ymmv)

[–] dirtycrow@programming.dev 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I suddenly vividly remember putting my mom’s Chromebook into developer mode and installing crouton on it so I could play Minecraft.

[–] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I switched to Linux after my experience with Windows Millennium Edition. Many people have since referred to me as some sort of programming genius and hacker.....I don't know crap about any of that. I've simply followed instructions and referred to the help communities, whenever I've had trouble. Using the mainstream distributions (I'm guessing) has kept me from having much trouble.

I think my kids may benefit, as my wife only uses Mac, I have 2 Ubuntus and a Mint, and the kids use Chromebooks at school. We have 2 iPad and a Galaxy tab in the house. 1 kid has an Android phone and the other an iPhone. My wife and I both have flagship Android phones.

Sometimes it's fun to watch them debate over which systems they prefer, depending on the school projects they work on.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mixed messages here: "I’ve simply followed instructions and referred to the help communities, whenever I’ve had trouble." Fellow human, those are the actions of a programming genius and hacker. The bar is remarkably low. A lot of people can't even read what it says on the screen.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Should've written "Mac PCs" just to mess with people.

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